Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-10
18:39:32
|  Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Due of BSZ give us a week for counts i starting that....
first, No.1. is Csio, with one card 
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Posted By
Luca
on 2010-09-10
19:28:27
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You should declare the final price, as very first.
Anyway: No.2: Luca 
I alerted as many ppl even with a FaceBook event.
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2010-09-10
22:16:02
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Sign me up, I'll buy one as well - assuming the price is "reasonable"
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Posted By
Dragos
on 2010-09-10
22:49:16
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Sign me up as well
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Posted By
Archmage
on 2010-09-11
02:54:00
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Yes please.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2010-09-11
03:09:05
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I considered writing something like "if it's compatible with Solder's SID-Card" etc. But even if it's not I would buy one to support the case!
Count me in
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Posted By
Chris
on 2010-09-11
03:33:10
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
You can sign me up to two cards please. This is rather exciting
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Posted By
retroscener
on 2010-09-11
03:54:10
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Nice.
Put me down for one too, if the price is right for my budget
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-11
04:39:35
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
beykoz some face from c64 sign up here and you are good pals i share some new info from bsz, and maybe Luca can translate it to English:
BSZ wrote:
Szoval mint azt valaki emlitette, a Solder-fele SID-kartya Joy-port + a SID
analog bemeneteket a Plus/4-es GEOS tudja hasznalni az 1351-es (?) eger
illesztesehez. Emiatt mindenkeppen erdemes lenne a SID olvashato regjeinek az
olvashatosagat megoldani. A kovetkezo otletem van:
Alapbol a kartya elindul FULL "Solder-compatible" modban. Ekkor a SID
886KHz-rol megy (Plus/4 single clock), a par regisztere olvashato. Ekkor a
$FD40..$FD5F tartomanyon kivul el meg az $FE80-$FE9F tartomany (Csory fele
SID-card cime) es az $FD80-as cim, ezen van a Solder-fele kartya JOY portja.
Ez az alapfelallas.
Lesz egy CONFIG regiszter (valahol), ahol ilyeneket lehet kapcsolgatni majd:
- 985KHz-s uzemmod engedelyezese
- $D400..$D41F tartomanyban a SID irasanak engedelyezese
- (Meg esetleg meg valami, ha eszembe jut... )
Ha a 985KHz-s uzemmod be lesz kapcsolva, akkor a SID olvashatosaga nem fog
mukodni. De ez ugyis akkor fog kelleni, ha valami regi demot akarsz nezni,
amiben SID-es zene van, de nem SID-kartya szupporttal. Ekkor bekapcsolod ezt
a 985KHz-s modot a $D400-as eleressel egyutt, majd elinditod a ware-t, ami
(valamilyen konverterrel a TED mellett) szolni fog SID-en is. Ebben az
esetben ugyse jon szoba a SID-kartyas egerkezeles, ha meg olyan progit
hasznalsz, ami ezt igenyli, az mar ugyis 886KHz-s SID mellett keszult.
Ezt a "legacy C64" modot azert eroltetem, mert tudom, hogy nekem mekkora
elmeny volt a regi demokat eloszedni, es "ujrahallgatni" SIDdel a csorgo
TED-es freqkonverterek helyett. Ezt az "elmenyt" had tapasztalja meg mar mas
is...
A tervem az, hogy egy probapanelen osszeepitem elobb az egeszet, ahol ki
lehet majd trukkozni a dolgokat. Ha minden jol megy, akkor utana lehet nyakot
tervezni, meg ilyesmi.
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So like I said, Solder's SID card can use the Joy-port + the SID card's analog input can be used to connect an 1351(?) mouse for GEOS. Therefore it would make sense to make those readable register's readable. My idea is as follows:
By default the card would be in Solder-compatible mode. The SID would be in 886Khz mode (Plus/4 single clock), and a few registers would be readable. Besides the $FD40-$FD5F area the $FE80-$FE9F area (Csory's SID card's address) and $FD80, that's the joy port of the Solder. This it the default.
There will be a CONFIG register (somewhere), where you can switch the following:
- enable 985Khz mode
- enable SID writing of $D400-$D41F area
- (maybe something else, if I can remember it)
If you switch to 985Khz mode, then the SID readability will be disabled. But you would only need that while watching some old demos with SID music, which doesn't have SID support. So then you switch to 985Khz mode with $D400 reading, and you start the program that (besides the TED converter) will play the SID music. In this case mouse handing wouldn't be needed, and if you do need that, then that program was made for the 886Khz SID anyway.
The reason I'm pushing for this "legacy C64" mode because I know how much fun it is to listen to old demos with SID instead of the beeping TED converters. Others should be able to enjoy this as well.
My plan is to build the while thing on a test panel, where you can figure things out. If all goes well, the IC board can be built, etc.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2010-09-11
05:23:35
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Csio...
You should edit your post and move BSZ's answer to the other SID-card thread. So this one could be just for signing up and the other one for technical details and discussions. Well, I'll copy it now, so the discussion can start.
The supporters so far:
Csio 1x
Luca 1x
Csabo 1x
Dragos 1x
Archmage 1x
Chicken 1x
Chris 2x
Sixteen Plus 1x
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-11
05:37:06
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Chicken: Ok, but i am lame for this. I can't do that, how can i do..... please some of normal-humans fix that, and this too.
Thanx
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Posted By
Patrick
on 2010-09-11
06:36:20
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
i will buy 2 sidcards!
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Posted By
siz
on 2010-09-11
08:29:48
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
As I wrote earlier on more then one places: I'd want to buy two cards. Thanks.
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2010-09-11
08:42:09
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I will buy at least one, maybe a second one too
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Posted By
Gaia
on 2010-09-11
09:06:09
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Count me in on it, too.
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Posted By
edhellon
on 2010-09-11
09:33:25
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I want one aswell, possibly a second one too for spares/extra.
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Posted By
Almighty God
on 2010-09-11
10:17:58
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Hi there I want 2 x SID cards thanxs in advance...
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Posted By
Mermaid
on 2010-09-11
11:01:19
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I'll buy one!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2010-09-11
11:09:03
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
19 (+2 eventually) SIDcards requested in less than one day, mmmmm...
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Posted By
RobertB
on 2010-09-11
21:50:57
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I would buy one!
Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network
http://www.sccaners.org
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Posted By
SVS
on 2010-09-12
04:15:37
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1 card for me, please
BTW another feature is to keep in mind. Solder at time created a sort of "protection" for joys ports (*), because the plug/unplug operations could damage the uP. You can contact him and if agree add this circuit to the card.
(*) = It is inserted into the Solder' 256K card.
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Posted By
gerliczer
on 2010-09-12
06:33:15
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Is there a final specification? Where can I find it? And what about the digi-blaster addon module? It was available for the Solder SID-card.
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Posted By
Thunder.Bird
on 2010-09-12
06:57:57
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Oh, I'm sorry! :D I didn't expect that I can write here not being registered user...
(old message can be scratched)
I really aprecciate work on hardware beeing developed for plus/4
and I support this with buying two SIDcards, please.
contact me at http://berlinc64club.de or on facebook. Thx!
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Posted By
MagerValp
on 2010-09-12
12:25:02
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
One for me please.
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2010-09-12
13:14:00
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If it's fully compatible with existing software, then I take one for sure.
If it's not _highly_ expensive, then I can take even 2.
If there is a situation that only one issue is missing to start the producing, then I would take 2 for sure.
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Posted By
shem
on 2010-09-12
16:57:14
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I for one would like 4 or maybe even 6
thats if I'm allowed to get that many
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2010-09-13
10:49:40
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Wow, massive interest! That's good news hopefully
Just to clear this up though: we're still talking about cards with no SID chip, right? So for many folks (myself included), it won't be initially usable until they can get their hands on an actual SID chip (and then solder it in or something?)
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Posted By
Mermaid
on 2010-09-13
11:02:21
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Solder? I hope there will be a socket...! :/
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2010-09-13
11:39:51
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
So we are discussing technical stuff here, too? :P Ah well...
Csabo and Mermaid,
I think a socket is mandatory. Finding a SID chip is not that hard (and I agree that it's a good idea not to include one because it would just raise the cost and some ppl probably have an extra SID chip around). Other than that it MUST be a plug and play device.
This was bugging me back then with the other SID card project (which never made it) when the joyport was just an option: "If you want one you, can solder it to the board." Some ppl just can't solder (including me) and lines like that are a real turn off.
Questions for BSZ:
Is it agreed on to use the new SID? That should be the case if it's compatible with Solder's SID-Card. Also otherwise it would need to support two voltages right? (Leave alone the problems an old SID would cause by drawing too much power - if remember correctly, Bionic reported this).
Will there be a "sample playback via $d418"-fix?
Will there be some kind of line-out (3,5mm) socket on the board?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-13
13:25:35
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Sorry, BSZ left the civilization for a week, so we have some days to check this out while everything will be cvlear.
Csabo: don't solder, just push into a socket ofkoz. The picture of plus4world-bsz-sid-card is not a reference pic.
Just purchase the right sid chip
Okay, Csabo can you insert somewhere an aplication form, or 'urlap' where can ppls sign up her/his demand for sidcard, understand, that no sidchip, how many pieces of, her/his nick, platform, mail, and her/his request for compatibility or something like this
forward this into me or bsz via mail
Thanks in advan... forgotttdisword
I will back at the night
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Posted By
Luca
on 2010-09-13
13:45:31
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
This means that the thread enlisting was a test only? Or will the application applet be used to collect real names/adresses and so on, and thus to calculate shipping costs case by case?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-13
14:29:24
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
The thread enlisting was NOT a test only, just not precis.
Actually are you sure i am really Csio without login? How can we manage this at this forum?
And yes, the app. will collect CONTACTS, what Sensor will using - he is the postmaster on firm of NST
We need to serve BSZ with anything what we can due of making sidcard with our requests as soon as possible.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2010-09-13
14:51:47
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Sensor in charge of post sendings?
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Posted By
Romppainen
on 2010-09-13
19:19:42
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I'd like to sign in for one of these beasts aswell.
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Posted By
Shaun_B
on 2010-09-14
06:58:40
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Put my name down for one SID card please - contact@SPAMCommodoreComputerClub.co.uk will do (you knows which bit to remove).
Regards,
Shaun.
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2010-09-14
08:45:52
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
**YES**.
The socket for SID is _a must_.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2010-09-22
02:58:14
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
So what?
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2010-09-22
05:17:30
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
If the new SIDcard is compatible with Solder's one and it works with the 8580 SID then I want two pieces please!
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-22
14:25:30
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Luca: BSZ is back, we collect your request while BSZ start to make a prototype.
Go-go gadget!!!!
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Posted By
siz
on 2010-09-22
15:33:35
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Csio: I'm willing to test the prototype with my secret project.
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-09-23
14:39:57
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
New post on Sid-card Scheme or where...
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Posted By
TPSH
on 2010-09-24
08:42:31
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
...sziasztok...ha elfelejtenék belépni az elkövetkező egy-két évben ismét és közben elkészül ez a kártya valaki írjon egy emailt légyszives! addigra remélem lesz működő +4-esem is,nem csak a ~6db nem működő :D
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...Hi guys... If I forget to log in for the next year or two, and meanwhile the card gets finished, could someone please send me an email? By then hopefully I'll have a working Plus/4, not just ~6 non-working ones :D
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Posted By
Luca
on 2010-09-24
20:09:38
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Finally! Punx'not dead, welcome back TPSH!
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Posted By
hedning
on 2010-10-07
16:27:19
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Oh. Bummer. Am I too late? I really want one!
hedning64@NOSPAM.gmail.com
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Posted By
pcefan
on 2010-10-08
07:43:20
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Reserve one for me please.
acheperumba(at)hotmail.com
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-12-13
19:27:19
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
anybody else? i think it's time to counts... don't hesitate!
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Posted By
Rybags
on 2010-12-15
10:22:09
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!In
Interest expression from me.
Any idea of the cost?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2010-12-15
15:12:35
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
about 35 euros, max. 40
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Posted By
retroscener
on 2010-12-16
00:29:47
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I'd love one but now I can't afford it, so please take me off the list 
Just wondering, will it work on a C16?, my one is expanded to 64K.
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2010-12-16
00:45:51
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
As I wrote elsewhere, I'd like to buy 2 SIDcards, please.
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Posted By
TLC
on 2010-12-16
03:45:17
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Sixteen Plus: yes, it will.
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Posted By
macx
on 2010-12-16
14:18:19
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Yes please, a SID Card for the Plus/4!
macx64(at)SPAMSUCKgmail.com
/www.jonatanforsberg.net
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Posted By
register
on 2010-12-17
07:51:51
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Yes. Please a SIDCARD also for me: lucaregini@yahoo.it
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2011-01-10
08:21:18
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Hello.
Any news in the subject-matter?
Greetz,
Y
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Posted By
Csio
on 2011-01-12
18:36:46
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I try to reach BSZ, but he said 'Don't worry...I have news for ya, soon'
???
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2011-01-19
03:37:42
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
By the way. I'm researching a possibility for people that has no SID chip at all.
New SwinSID sounds very well and fits into SID's (new model) socket.
Would be the best replacement for sure.
Especially for people with no SID at all.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2011-01-19
13:54:33
 | Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Hi Yerzmyey,
Are you involved? I saw SwinSID project two years ago, I was very much impressed by the capabilities of the board. How much does it cost?
Definitely it could be a good choice for Plus/4, and may open the gate for a third music playback mode, to step out from the shadows of C64, haha!
C64 people will never change their players for a new chip (as they already have a good one, ha!), but heavily using it in plus/4 and give support will surely generate some winner Demos may knock out some C64 fans (together with the color capabilites of Plus/4).
Anyone who is not familiar with the sound of SwinSID, please check the Demo area
http://www.swinkels.tvtom.pl/swinsid/
Though demo area is overloaded with Emulated SID music (not 100% the same), but the REAL capabilities of the board even more impressing, see at the bottom few (unfortunately some post-processing done with them). I think the voice may come out of that board is clearly over SID capabilities, just need a proper, standardized player routine.
PS: By the way, for almost 2 years a SwinSID demo was my mobile phone ringtone, that was the level of impression I had. I would still use it, but my Philips phone died, unfortunately...
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2011-01-20
08:44:36
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
MMS:
>Hi Yerzmyey,
>Are you involved?
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Hi, I personally am not, but a guy informed me.
However today he reported some problems. So seems like he can't make a lot of the devices, so the opportunity rather dissapeares.
Hm, we will see.
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Posted By
Jeroen Tel
on 2012-01-09
06:44:01
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Done deal. If it's not overpriced
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Posted By
rudis
on 2012-01-09
08:15:27
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count me for 2 pieces 
edit:
i am little bit confused about the date of first post. is this a poll for 2nd batch?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2012-01-09
09:10:47
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
rudis: if you're also reading the Sidcard's updates thread, you see the 1st batch has yet to come, and the requests will be satisfied by date of posting, depending of the quantity in the 1st bunch.
Jeroen Tel: honoured to see you in this forum for the 1st time! you cannot have a whole picture about how many of your SIDs have been squeezed in a 2 channels TED sound by FRQ or wave converters. Did you ever listen to Supremacy's tune once passed thru TEDsound?
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Posted By
rudis
on 2012-01-09
10:08:26
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
so, no 2nd batch at that time?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2012-01-09
10:21:18
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Don't worry, you'll get yours, be patient
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Posted By
Patrick
on 2012-01-09
13:48:09
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
me too? lol
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Posted By
MMS
on 2012-01-09
15:44:24
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Well, Luca, in fact this miracle was to squeeze 3 waveformed 8-bit channels into one 4-bit channel, right?
Knowing this, those real-time freq-converted SID are not bad at all
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Posted By
crock
on 2012-01-20
15:17:01
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I had mailed BSZ directly back in November so I am on the list already.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2012-01-20
15:32:48
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Ok crock, timelist refreshed correctly
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2012-01-21
13:53:50
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Just confirming that I still want one
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Posted By
Romppainen
on 2012-01-22
16:41:09
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
It's nice to see this project in progress, now I just gotta pimp one of my C16's with internal memory expansion or get +4 as the slot seem to get better use than housing the expander cart
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Posted By
AmiDog
on 2012-01-31
08:39:20
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I just found this thread. I'm also very interested in one!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2012-01-31
08:44:35
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
Amidog now you've been included in the list
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Posted By
woot
on 2012-12-04
13:44:28
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
i would like one as well if you're making any.
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Posted By
Marq
on 2013-11-12
12:43:33
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
If there's a new batch coming I'd take two (or maybe three!).
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Posted By
bszggg
on 2013-11-12
13:37:12
| Re: Yes, I want to buy a SID Card for the Commodore Plus/4 with no SID chip!
I have ~ 8 sid chip.
I asked to what is the fair price for these.
http://plus4world.powweb.com/forum/26371
Anyone interested these?
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