Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-12
11:01:34
 |  Plus/4 tshirt
Well, take this as a wild compo entry 
I'm completely in love with spreadshirt.com, a German netshop located in Lipsia. I've just bought a couple of shirts and I'm astonished cause their quality and stamp technique. Running with my enthusiasm, I tried to do a little geeky tshirt about the Plus/4, you can see the result in the end of this post.
Now: spreadshirt.com usually asks to the author if he wanna put his creation in the shop, allowing anybody interested to buy it.
My question: after having got my tshirt and verified it's cool enough ;) can I delete it, or there's someone of you interested?
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2009-09-12
11:49:22
 | Re: Plus/4 tshirt
As long as it's YOUR code on the shirt (Is that from Thalassa? :D)
I can second your opinion on the quality. It's really good compared to many other print shops. There are some with lower prices but the quality is no match compared to spreadshirt.
If you want your shirt to be unique, delete the file. Otherwise, put it in the shop  I'm sure there are ppl out there who'll want it!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-09-12
14:26:49
 | Re: Plus/4 tshirt
it's f***in' awesome! my girlfriend wanna buy it for me she stated it!
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Posted By
Chris
on 2009-09-13
02:31:26
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Excellent design!!!!
I really like it too, and definately would get one if they were in the shop
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Posted By
Ati
on 2009-09-13
11:41:43
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Nyilaskereszt és ötágú vöröscsillag...
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Posted By
TLC
on 2009-09-13
12:39:16
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Indeed... A very bad coincidence... :-/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Cross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_star
Both of them are banned symbols in HU (the arrow cross would be the local equivalent of the swastika, and the communist red star, although not as famous in the West as a symbol of totalitarianism, would be equally disturbing for a lot of Hungarians)... And if they weren't forbidden by law, obviously, it'd still represent a strong political overtone, should you take a walk in HU in a t-shirt that had these symbols printed on it. That's a pity 'cos you were definitely unaware of these concerns and the design is really nice anyway... 
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-13
13:06:33
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
 I'm speechless...
Of course, it would be uncomfortable taking a Plus/4 with you when you hit the roads, in order to explain your reasons to the police...
Anyway, Spreadshirt.com allows you to remove from the tshirt what you don't wanna print, and in general, edit all the stuff customizing it
EDIT: oops no, unfortunately you can't customize a fixed tshirt selected from a "shop", but once I buy it, I can open a "shop" by myself, and probably release the same with no cross behind (I think a simpe red star shoud be a minor problem, it becomes suspect once coupled with the suspicious crossed arrows).
Wait a moment, so the medals I drew for limiTED and limiTED2 are affected by the same tragic coincidence!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2009-09-13
13:34:29
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Yeah, touchy topic... Here in Germany (for very good reasons) several symbols (when displayed out of historical context) are also forbidden/unconstitutional. Same goes for anything closely resembling those symbols.
I didn't know that the "red star" is banned in Hungary, though it's very understandable considering the history (especially 1956). So some tourist wearing a retro-(not as in retro computing)-soviet-chic "red star" t-shirt might behave very offending without even knowing.
"Accidently" using parts of existing symbols that stand for something else happens all the time. A while back I noticed the center of this flag...
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:KKK.svg&filetimestamp=20080809140945
and thought about this rightaway:
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Vodafone.svg&filetimestamp=20080213230105
I like the cursor cross on the plus/4 and used it in some sketches for logos I did, too, because it is so "iconesque". And I would never associate it with anything other than the plus/4 (not because I'm ignorant...).
You might align the keys horizontally (e.g. up, right, down, left), less iconesque and ppl might say "looks like play station" but you don't have the "cross" then.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-13
13:40:56
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
What if I will wear it at next Árok? Ppl will understand, or Tomcat will try to kill me? 
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-13
13:42:20
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Chicken, horizontally aligning'em would mean Dance Dance Revolution and not Plus/4!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2009-09-13
13:54:28
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Luca, you beat me... twice. I was going to add something about the "limiTED medals" (I still think the design is nice, as I stated back then, too).
And now again... I just read a similar article
Didn't know about Dance Dance Revolution... They had a logo horizontally aligning the arrows?
The current (new) one is a "cross":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dance_Dance_Revolution_logo_2009.png
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-13
14:14:40
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Oh noes! DDR should be banned in Hungary at this point!
Yes, I'm joking of course, but think at the embarassing paradox...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-14
04:14:47
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
What about the Commodore brand?
May I use it on a tshirt to sell around having no legal problems? Even the Lemon's shop, calling itself as "the C64 and Amiga tshirt shop" has no explicit brands on their products...
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2009-09-14
05:46:21
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
The "chicken head" logo and the brand name "commodore" are both protected. If I remember correctly "Yeahronimo" is/was the copyright holder. Recently, I read smth in the forum on commodore.ca about financial problems. But even if they went, there's definitely someone who "owns" it.
Some years ago Rulag KG in Germany licensed the "Commodore" brand name and sold branded articles like telephones. They still might do so.
One of the guys of DIENSTAGSTREFF contacted them and was officially allowed to produce merchandise (T-Shirts etc) since those were free "ads" for Rulag AG. Lucky him
I doubt that the copyright holder will allow any "commercial" use (and if you put a T-Shirt design in the shop, it's commercial use, even if you don't earn anything).
German law is rather strict in copyright issues. There's no "fair use" here like in the US.
Btw, Spreadshirt might even say something about copyrighted logos/designs...
They do:
http://www.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Service/Help-1328/categoryId/7/articleId/841
"We will not print: trademarks, names or logos for companies. For example you can not use the name Coca Cola, Coke “It’s the Real Thing” or the design from the cans ."
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-14
05:52:25
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Hence, probably they will reject my request...? Let's see. At this point, in any case, I won't open any shop.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-09-14
15:57:07
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
everybody know its just a bullshit that kills the world i'm agains all bullshit patents..
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2009-09-15
09:26:56
 | Re: Plus/4 tshirt
I totally agree with Chronos.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-23
10:33:53
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
I put two different versions on the shop: the latter is THIS, where I rotated the cursor arrows by 45° in order to have a pseudo-square shape.
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2009-09-24
17:59:13
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Argh.
I've checked out the link from initial post and seems like there is no more 264 t-shirts.
Grrrrr.
A pity.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-25
03:15:46
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
@YERZMYEY: "there is no more"?
I checked it and there is no problem: choose your size and get it
Mmmm, maybe I have to set the shop in English...
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Posted By
YERZMYEY
on 2009-09-25
03:33:28
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Ah. So maybe the shop has crap searching engine. I input "commodore" and I found only C64 and general 8bit thingies.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-09-25
04:56:37
| Re: Plus/4 tshirt
Simply, go direct to my shop: http://kekule.spreadshirt.net
Apropos, the search engine doesn't find it because that tshirt has to be checked first: it is present into my shop, but not yet into the marketplace, which is the place where the search engine goes fishing.
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