Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-25
19:25:47
 |  [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok that is:
our idea is to start a cool X-bytes compo on C16/+4: prove your skill if space makes you chill!
In the beginning, we'd thought about 2 main categories: 64 bytes demo compo and 1K demo compo. Why? Well, because we wanna have a look at your skills and fantasy, without stealing you too much time. Actually a compo like this:
- takes you a very little time to spend
- can involve much more participants, even from neighbouring scenes
- show you true knowledge of our beloved machine.
You will simply enter your demo here at +4world (we'll have a comfortable page for an easy uploading), then vote in the 2nd phase (or before the deadline, we'll see).
Someome moaned "bah, 64 bytes is actually too little memory". Hence, it's my opinion to listen to your precious hints about it. To me, would be kewl 128bytes/1024bytes compos, (a 128bytes one, as well we had in "4ever'03" party in Szeged, do you remember?).
It would be a little cute compo, but, who knows, maybe a little reward for the winner would be also cool... 
And now, I really need your opinions!
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-03-26
03:56:53
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
tek say: 128bytes was done before, so i'd prefer 64bytes and 1k
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-03-26
04:16:54
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
One question: should these microdemos start with run command? Maybe for 64 bytes it is a big sacrifice, but for 1024 bytes can be done.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-26
05:08:05
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Rachy: nope, the rule says you can save the command line bytes if you need, and start with a direct SYSxxxx instead
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-03-26
10:55:12
 | Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Why play by the usual rules? Let's be different and say e.g. 264bytes or ( 16+116+4= )136bytes... something with a meaning to plus/4 sceners 
Are you planning on making the demos accessable as soon as they are uploaded or wait until a deadline and then present all entries after the deadline and subsequently have a voting phase?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-26
11:14:12
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Chicken said:
Why play by the usual rules? Let's be different and say e.g. 264bytes or ( 16+116+4= )136bytes... something with a meaning to plus/4 sceners
Lol!
Oh well, you're right, but it would be better to fall within the classic recognizable demo types...
Chicken said:
Are you planning on making the demos accessable as soon as they are uploaded or wait until a deadline and then present all entries after the deadline and subsequently have a voting phase?
Heh, you touched a very sensible question: one could download an entry, check it and try to improve, but I think that's not fair. Yes, I have faith in the sceners, but this is a compo in the end, no?
Another good change could be, i.e., to show screenshots only before the deadline, or youtube (et simila) videos...
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-03-26
11:17:49
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Please don't spoil the fun! Don't show the demos before the deadline.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-03-26
11:23:15
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Actually, I wasn't so much concerned about stealing ideas/code because I think we are all good sportsmen
I asked that because I think when someone uploads his demo at an early date and ppl have seen it many times they are not as "surprised" when it finally comes to the voting phase. So I'd prefer a deadline and then a release all entries at once. Then all demos have the same "brand new stuff" factor
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-26
11:30:46
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Rachy+Chicken: hence, not a single little very little screenshot?
Oh anyway: the idea was basically mine, and the .php stuff will be mostly done by Csabo. Now we really need to know who's interested, and I'm pointing the finger to all the lurkers here!
Moreover, remember that this compo would encourage you to present your skill in a way that leaves you spare time for SceneCon, that would become a milestone in the +4 scene history (and we're so close to discuss in a forthcoming thread).
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-03-26
11:39:41
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
No, nothing Well... maybe a random byte from the product 
I mean, if someone enters a sound demo, a screenshot won't tell anything anyway.
I think it will be "teasing" enough if you announce the name of the participant when he entered the compo. But that's just my opinion... This thread was just opened so there are probably lots of suggestions coming in.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-26
11:57:58
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Oh well, to be honest: this thread had been started in order to probe if the interested sceners are 3-4, or if the root idea of catching several others works well.
Ok, atm we have 3 suggests that automatically become rules:
- entries will be shown after deadline
- no SIDcard or other external devices are allowed
- your entry can be run by RUN or direct SYS
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-03-26
14:51:25
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Fine with me. I have a 1k intro waiting for submission for some time...
Let's do something incredible in 64 bytes...
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-03-26
16:01:30
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
What about the memory range? I think in 64/128bytes you don't want to lose any byte because of a setup routine. Does it matter where the code resides? Should it run on 16k machines?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-26
17:17:09
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
...::[limiTED]::...
-[128/1024 bytes online compo]-
...
- max. filesize 128bytes and/or 1024bytes
- should run at least on one unmodified machine of the Commodore 264 series
- you can send one 128 byte and one 1024 byte entry into the competition
- entries will be shown after deadline
- your entry can be run by RUN or direct SYS or autorun
- if your entry breaks the specs, it will be included but released as "disqualified"
Deadline will be revealed soon...
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-03-27
04:21:40
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I am very interested in this compo; still, a submission depends a lot on the deadline as I am in Japan right now...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-27
04:39:38
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
A Ninja in Japan, never heard anything as this
You could simply download YAPE emulator and +4IDE crossassembler, and code your stuff there... Anyway, you can see, the compo has to be officially launched yet (we're so close btw!), hence let's count as minimum a month before deadline since now.
You have time, join in
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-03-27
11:24:33
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I have a suggestion/request. The demos should be anonymous. This means that they should bear no group logos or credits (or digitized speech that says "Coded by Degauss"). Well, you get the idea. I think this will help 2 ways:
- It will increase the fun factor. In addition to viewing cool new productions, you will also have a chance to try and guess who made them. I'm sure we will all be in for surprises when the names are finally revealed.
- It will decrease the voting bias. In some cases, some people might be influenced to vote higher for a production that was made by someone they like, or rate an otherwise good production lower if they don't like the coder.
Third (but I'm not sure if it's an advantage or not), this may force the coders to present a real message: e.g. the demo should say something that's in line with its feel, and not just "LOD Rulez Forever" and the kind . Anyway, I vote we do this. Let's hear the counterarguments.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-27
11:34:09
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I think Csabo is right, absolutely.
Did you get ppl? Let's say again:
>>>YOUR DEMO MUST BE ANONYMOUS!<<<
Lemme include this rule then. The official rules are now these.
Rachy pointed out that the one who receive all the stuff, would know the sender! Let's choose between two solutions:
- we will open an /incoming folder with no restrictions in upload where you can anonymously sent all the pr0n do you want to ;)
- one man will receive all the stuff, a man who won't vote, and that man casually is Luca/FIRE :)
...::[limiTED]::...
-[128/1024 bytes online compo]-
...
- max. filesize 128bytes and/or 1024bytes
- should run at least on one unmodified machine of the Commodore 264 series
- you can send one 128 byte and one 1024 byte entry into the competition
- anonymous entries allowed only
- entries will be shown after deadline
- your entry can be run by RUN or direct SYS or autorun
- if your entry breaks the specs, it will be included but released as "disqualified"
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-03-27
11:56:23
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Oh man 
I was just thinking of a cool way to create a HUGE "CHICKEN" logo in 64bytes... An anonymous demo takes away a core ingredient, ie a logo of the author's name.
And a message would tell the author, too. Maybe not in 64bytes but I can tell if a scroller is written by TEK, CSABO, LUCA... :D
What about if it's either completely anonymous or released under a pseudonym that can't be related to the author? Thus, we could include logos. Of course, anagrams are not allowed, eg Luca may NOT participate as UCLA even if fan-wear is available
Something else... Is it ok to "expect" certain values in eg $ff19 or the zeropage? Maybe we can say "The demo will be loaded on a machine that was just switched on".
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-27
12:02:39
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Chicken: yeah guessing who is legal and funny too
64bytes for the UCLA logo and the other 64 (because we're 128/1024 compo) for a scroll then, ok
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-03-27
13:23:39
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I like the idea of anonymizing the demo. I think it's funny to guess an author by his handwriting
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-03-27
17:09:10
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
What about the 2 byte file header? Does this count?
Or is it just "in memory" program space?
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-03-27
17:43:28
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Oh and 64byte demos!!!
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-03-27
17:55:22
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I think we all send them to Luca, then everyone can vote - but not for your own. Then it should be fair.
That way Luca's the only one that knows.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-27
18:04:17
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
LOL! Ingo, I told you that someone would pop up with this questions
MikeD said:
What about the 2 byte file header? Does this count?
Of course no! 64(+2 for file header)=64bytes
MikeD said:
Oh and 64byte demos
Bah! Bah! Since now all moaning about, ooooooh 64b is toooo liiiittle, aaaaaah I don't liiiike it... And now? The 64bytes fashion exploded at once? 
At the moment no 64 bytes democompo has been planned, your 64b marvel will fall into one of the two remaining categories. But if you're a crowd hailing to 64bytes, ask for that and you'll get it!, beware it should be a real plebiscite to achieve that! And that will be our LAST word about compo categories.
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-03-27
19:39:12
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
But i can understand Mike's question. I also got confused by that. Roeddelroemp for example is 1024 incl the load address - where 1026 would have been allowed (2 bytes, well... i think that wouldn't have been enough to improve that demo alot )
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-03-27
21:47:38
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Luca, it is not a problem of equipment, I carry my selfmade xdev-system with me all the time (and BTW I can't use YAPE, as I'm DOS and Linux only. Wait, I could try WINE...). It is more a problem of time and energy. Learning Japanese and getting used to the the culture here is quite something for me. I don't feel much like coding right now. Within the next month, this could change however.
Anonymous entries are a good idea. I wouldn't even mind, if the one "collector" is allowed to vote.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-28
17:04:21
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, last doubts then we'll go (though I just received some previews):
- this is a compo of faith and unfairness, I'll receive all the stuff simply via email, I will know who+which but I'll vote the same, shut up and code if you dare
- what about keeping 64bytes too? it will become a 64/128/1024 bytes, for very hard coders!
- deadline is saturday 14 of April h23.59
Say your word just before we start, or SUAC!!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-03-28
17:39:32
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
After the deadline, could you please publish the 64/128bytes demos in hex as well Not all of us have means to transfer disks from PC to plus/4 and I don't mind typing in 64 or 128 bytes if it looks promising
Sure, if I make mistakes and the demo looks crappy due to that it's not fair. But life ain't fair anyway
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-28
17:43:58
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
If provided, sources will be zipped with the .prg. Anyway you can create the hex by yourself from the .prg, simply executing HexDump.
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-03-28
20:23:49
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Really just 2 weeks till deadline?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-28
20:29:40
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ninja: circa two weeks, plz suggest a new date and we'll see together, but we're talking about adding few days only: little compo, little time, then SceneCon date becomes closer! ;)
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-03-29
06:16:07
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Okay, then I would say that you proceed as planned. I cannot say if a few days would help me, and if the rest of the scene needs the time for SceneCon, then I bow to that
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-29
06:25:49
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ninja: someone else asked me another week, could it help you too?
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-03-29
10:18:41
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
That one extra week would be cool for me...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-29
19:35:25
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok pals! Apart of the bonus week we could add to the current deadline, compo has been launched HERE!.
It's time to send us your best efforts!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-03-30
03:23:29
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
"2 mixed previews"? What the heck does this mean?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-30
03:33:26
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
"2 mixed previews" -> disregarding their own specific categories, I received a couple of previews of future entries.
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-03-30
22:28:11
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Does anyone want to submit more than one entry per category?
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-03-31
02:43:15
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I would like to submit two 1k entries.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-31
02:54:19
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Does the "single entry per category" become obsolete?
Well I think that two are enough to me to let me cancel that rule. So, atm, multiple entries per autor are allowed. The 3rd rules is now:
- you can send one or more entries per any single category
Now there's the very last question: would you prefer a longer compo time and push the deadline away of one week?
Do your best.
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-03-31
12:49:21
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
@Luca
Thanks for the multiple entries.
The other question: more time is always a good thing...
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-03-31
13:21:14
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Dont make it too long... otherwise folk lose interest!
I don't think you should be allowed to vote for your own either.
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Posted By
Gaia
on 2007-03-31
14:16:43
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Mike, if you find the time, you should work on XeO3 in the first place Once it's finished, you can participate in the minidemo compo
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-03-31
14:41:54
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
lol...I know...I know...I know....
I've actually started back on it about 10 min ago! But first I have to fix a couple of really bad bugs I'd left.
However, I had a couple of demos I wanted to try out so Im working on them too.... never done a proper "demo" as such - except for 1 hacker intro...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-03-31
16:31:05
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Mh, about deadline: merging several opinion in one, I could say the new deadline should be around friday 20 april?
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-01
03:27:56
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
For me it sounds ok, one of my entries is already done, but that one I did for fun only. The other needs some optimization yet, does not fit in yet. Working on it... 
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-01
04:58:24
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, one more concern: if I got this right then the included text will be also released together with the entries, that is fine. But then Luca how should know who submitted that entry?
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-01
08:13:16
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Yep... Luca is the only one that will know. But thats okay I think.
I trust him to vote for the best and not for anyone specific.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-01
08:16:51
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Hahaha! But I told ya posts before, lemme quote the right sentence:
- this is a compo of faith and unfairness, I'll receive all the stuff simply via email, I will know who+which but I'll vote the same, shut up and code if you dare
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-01
18:42:38
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, could I fix the dateline to 20 friday april 2007?
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-02
03:23:26
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
For me it's ok. (I guess... )
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-02
08:34:50
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, new deadline!
20th April 2007!
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Posted By
Jakec
on 2007-04-03
00:00:15
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
WOW ! The last place is occupied.... .I make my second demo.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-03
08:04:29
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Jakec: your second demo EVER, you mean?
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-04-03
11:48:58
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Let's see if another week does help me
A suggestion concerning source-codes and anonymous entries.
I'd suggest to release the voting pack without sources and the final pack including them.
Reason 1) I'd like to have credits in my source
Reason 2) It might be possible to easily guess the coder by looking at the source. (someone else beside me using 'as'? )
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-03
11:57:56
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ninja/TheDreams: ah, you can bet on both those, that's exactly the way we'll do that!
The .prg alone will be spreaded in the voting phase, then all the rest will be released: in a complete compo pack, as single entries on +4world, the same on pouet (hoping the comeback of rulez.org will be close in time ).
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Posted By
Jakec
on 2007-04-04
07:06:25
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Luca: really. I hope so.
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-04-05
04:16:58
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
The database here lists a disassembly of the KERNAL. Download link just gives me 404 (as well as Ultimate ROM Map, by the way). Can somebody supply me with these? Might make life a bit easier for me
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-05
04:42:00
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Yeah....I wouldnt bother. Its mostly just the load/save documented, the rest has still to be done.
2 handy bits though....
$053b - Kernal TEXT colour
$c567 - SCNCLR (clears the screen using the above colour)
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-05
04:55:41
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Why not:
LDA #$colourcode
JSR $D880
Mmmmh, a look to the Anthology is strongly suggested
And what about Ultimate Rom Map?
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-05
05:13:15
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
@Luca
Clicking on the homepage icon at the ultimate ROM map gives me PHP errors.
Anyway, I have the hungarian book about the disassembled ROM, which comes handy for sure.
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-05
05:14:12
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Sht... Scroll text is eating up the 1k badly... I must figure out something...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-05
05:43:23
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Rachy: yeah you're right, it's due to the site's rewriting...and rulez.org still is out of service, what a mess! 
Thanks for the advice, lemme suggest an alternative location where to find Ultimate Rom Map: look into the temporary folder: here.
And: yeah, scrolling is a bitch
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-04-05
09:30:40
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Sorry about the broken link, fixed.
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-05
10:00:54
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, round #2... I got 404 on clicking both links on the ROM map page...
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-05
10:01:17
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
both = either
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-04-05
15:09:18
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Fixed (round #2). Sorry again.
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-04-05
22:45:35
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Well, I don't need a commented disassembly. A plain ASCII-file with code and data sections seperated would be enough for me. That makes hunting useful patterns a lot easier. (I already got one I know from the C64, but there may be more)
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-06
05:05:34
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
For those that care....I've done a mini-disassembly of the screen clear so you can see what it does. You can find it on my blog.... http://dailly.blogspot.com/
Its better that I thought it was going to be as it hits the screen directly, not through chrout.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-14
08:04:33
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Service Alert: Ninja/TheDreams I replied to you but had no feedback!
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Posted By
SVS
on 2007-04-17
03:50:28
 | Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
>>For those that care....I've done a mini-disassembly of the screen clear so you can see what it does. You can find it on my blog.... http://dailly.blogspot.com/
Mike, do you agree I insert these results to next issue of UltimateMap?
S\_/S
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-17
18:51:54
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
feel free!!!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-20
02:44:47
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
A little note.
Remember that the deadline is CEST (Central European Summer Time) based!
Tell ya that because seems that our nice Java countdown clock estabilishes its time by your pc's clock (we'll fix the lil'bastard anyway!).
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-04-20
10:38:51
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Is anyone still working on entries to be submitted?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-20
10:42:53
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Sssssh! ANONYMOUS! And YOU asked for this!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-20
14:10:14
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Okay, it is almost midnight...
How do we vote then?
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-04-20
16:14:39
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Well, I know it's anon, if XYZ says they are still working, I still wouldn't know if they actually submitted one or not. I was just asking if we have to worry about the deadline counter being - apparently - incorrect.
At any rate, if there are any last minute entries, I don't think we'd mind if someone is over the deadline by a few hours or something. I'd rather see more demos than see someone disqualified.
Voting... I'll have to write the page I promise to do it as soon as I can. I dunno what will be the actual procedure, we'll see what happens, but please be patient
As for the voting itself: is everyone okay with giving scores 10-0 for the demos, and not voting for your own? Or should we do something fancier?
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-20
16:43:56
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
@Csabo:
Probably it would be better applying the usual procedure for demo voting: choose the best, the second best and the third best, which gets 3, 2 and 1 point(s) each, then sum the points for demos.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-20
18:13:31
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
But what if some demos are of equal quality to me?
I'm ok with just giving 0-3 points but I'd be happier if I can give e.g. two points to several productions.
0-10 is a wide range... maybe too wide? It's harder to tell if something is worth 5 or 6 points, I think. But that's just my opinion.
And sorry for not turning in anything Shame on me... I didn't get beyond thinking about something and some notes. But I'm curious what you guys made out of 64 bytes
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-21
02:02:20
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
How about then 3-grade system for each demo: 1 - poor, 2 - good, 3 - superb? Then sum the submitted scores and that is it.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
02:29:31
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
If possible I would prefer the ranking way: simply order your demos by personal ranking from the worst to the best. 12 entries for 64bytes? Then automatically the worst will get 1 while the best 12.
That way, you can have a fine regulated vote with very little effort, avoiding extreme votes (like, e.g. all the demos are crap but this one that takes 1,000,000 from me).
PS: jeez guys, I slept 2 hours only to have that temporary download fixed up at record time, and now I'm at workplace, blasted!
PPS: beg your pardon, I'd forgotten to let you download a one-click complete pack, instead of single files, and I can't to it here. I'll add it when I'll be at home, sorry...
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Posted By
anonymous_coward
on 2007-04-21
04:51:51
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
What a great Compo!
Big thanks to the Orgas, and to the Coders!
It would be extremely nice, if the voters can write a sentence or two about the entries..
And don't forget to set a voting-deadline!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-21
05:30:40
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
@Luca: go to sleep dude...
Okay, I can guess some of the authors...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
05:38:34
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
[GuessWho's] Sidecompo then!
::rules::
- +3 points if you're right
- -1 point if you're wrong
Any unfair and cheating way allowed, post here, let's guess!
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-04-21
05:47:03
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
i don't have to guess. i *know* that csabo is very sick...
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-21
05:48:51
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I can spot 1-2 by luca and one by Dr. Death
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
05:55:49
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Yep, after watching a certain entry, I dialed the canadian 911 for an emergency:"Good morning, I'm Dr. Ted Sixteen, we got a Red-C16 code in Toronto, please intervene as soon as possible!"
Are you Guessing Who's? Names out then!
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-21
05:56:52
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
wouldnt this by somewhat in contradiction with anonymous voting?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
06:04:17
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Oh well, yes probably. I'm also quite convinced that as the guesswho's would increase, the waters will mix furthermore, still keeping the anonymous aura up. Anyway, yes, probably you're right, an whe shouldn't directly declare our guessing.
...anyway Csabo's sick hell.
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-04-21
07:08:22
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
CANADA!
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-21
08:17:33
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
btw... regarding the voting: It should be possible to vote for more than 3 entries. Otherwise a good fraction may end up with no votes at all!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-21
09:30:44
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Blame Canada?
I don't make my guess.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
09:32:05
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Bionic: you got what I meant. Briefly, linearly ranking per category allows to:
- avoid top-heavy voting
- consider'em all
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-21
09:49:31
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
btw.. Csabo, get well soon!
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2007-04-21
10:12:02
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Amazing entries, quite a few jaw-droppers...
Voting: I will add a comments section line, and a place where everyone who wishes can enter a guess as to who made that demo. In the end, we will tally up all the guesses a demo got, and possibly list who were the sceners who correctly identified the author.
My problem with linear voting: I MUST give a one in every category. Maybe I don't want to. And I MUST rank all demos as one-is-better-than-the-other. Maybe I think some of them are equal, and I want to give them the same score. So I'm still voting 10-0 scoring How are we going to come to a consensus on this one?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
10:26:42
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Csabo: Lone News style: if you have a spreaded 4th place (for example), next is 6th, not 5th...
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2007-04-21
14:01:57
 | Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
to everybody who participated in this compo: YOU ARE A GOD! ..so many in a few bytes.. amazing!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2007-04-21
14:05:47
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
when and where can we vote for the stuffz?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-21
14:28:02
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Chronos: both me and Csabo are at work
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2007-04-21
14:55:27
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
okokok
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Posted By
bubis
on 2007-04-22
09:36:19
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Thumbs up for Csabo!
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-22
12:48:46
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
so we don't rank the demos now and can just give a 10 to every entry?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-22
12:51:37
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Vote now!
End of voting phase: Saturday 28 April 2007 23:59:59.
Bionic: if you really would to...why not.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-22
12:55:59
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
If it's not too much work: I really liked the comments in the mini-game compos. Yeah, I know, it's me again with comments. Seriously, I never liked when e.g. teachers rated stuff without a comment (unless they were speechless because it was so good ).
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2007-04-22
13:12:48
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
thanks for everybody! im voted for the entries and couriously waiting for the end results!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-22
13:44:02
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Comments :D I should have checked before I requested them... Last time I checked voting hasn't been possible, yet.
Thanks Csabo for setting up the voting panel Though, I still have to think about my votes.... some amazing entires
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-22
14:18:06
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Just voted!!
Great demo guys! Some really cool entrys! and LOADS"" of them!!
And to all who made the web interface/layout - Bloody well done, makes it SOOOO much easier and more fun when it can all be done from a web page! Looks great and easy to use! Well done!
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-22
14:34:47
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Oh...and once the comp is finsihed, please leave that page as is but with the results! Its really nice seeing the icons for each demo that was submited!
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Posted By
JamesC
on 2007-04-22
14:40:15
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I voted!!!! I'm excited, this is the first time I've actually participated in something like this.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-22
15:14:30
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Woha ppl that's the enthusiasm I like to hear. Thanks for the kind words, I'm feeling so proud!
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-04-22
16:45:43
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
yeah, agree! the limiTED-minisite is so cute it should stay... good work luca!
anyway i have to say that i'm impressed to see 26 entries - of that quality. amazing! hail to the organizers!
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Posted By
bubis
on 2007-04-23
07:19:03
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Very good work guys, all of you! Too bad I couldn't finish my entry.
Csabo, you are insane! :D
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-23
07:29:50
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
bubis|rsc: plz check Skype's messages and extend that to 64 bytes category vote.
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Posted By
mhanoldt
on 2007-04-24
09:16:34
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Hi - (1) I'm only a visitor of your PLUS4 home page, but I also want to cast my vote for this competition. How is it possible? (2) The 128 byte demo ColorWheel doesn't seem to run (under Yape 0.72). It's a pity, because it shows a promising icon. What goes wrong? Michael
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Posted By
mhanoldt
on 2007-04-24
09:24:17
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
OK - item (2) is been solved, I had to be patient for 3 minutes. A hint concerning this matter would be helpful.
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-24
11:22:23
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Actually, there is..... it says "2:30 of calculations".... which means it'll pause a little before running. I didnt notice it either though. Hitting Warp mode on Yape helps a lot
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-24
11:43:02
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
mhanoldt: an answer will be given soon...
Meanwhile: Oh! Could be possible? Nobody did recognize the gfx under the time countdown?
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-24
13:16:07
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
You mean the animating clocks from the old +4 protectors?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-24
14:54:24
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Heh! But which one?
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-24
16:49:32
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
LOL....I have no idea who wrote ANY of them! So I guess someone else will have to answer that one!
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-24
17:05:46
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
haha.. those protectors must have been the most useless piece of software existing on plus/4. The easiest way to circumvent them is switching your plus/4 off and on quickly. And there are numerous other just slightly more sophisticated ways to work around them.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-24
17:22:53
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
So you (Bionic) got one of those almost-static-RAM plus/4s? None of mine works like that but TOXIC's did and I have a C16 that keep everything for at least 5secs.
Some of those protectors were rather tricky... I remember disassembling them when I did some 1551 versions and we discussed that back in the days on the old mailing list. If I recall correctly, TLC did a nice one checking $ff1d/e or so.
Anyway, I saw the clock and I wonder if it can be linked to Osama Bin Ary
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-24
17:48:00
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I thought all Plus/4 had this behavior? The actual memory content in the DRAMS should stay for at least the better part of a second. Are there drams with self reset? weird..
Well anyways, with a 256kb memory expansion you can also add a simple button to circumvent all reset protectors.
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-26
05:22:25
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I have a few Plus/4's and some do this while others don't. I was REALLY handy when I was growing up being able to hack games by switching it on and off quickly... Particually with the +4 monitor so readily available.
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-28
05:09:04
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
So it looks like the number of Plus/4 users interested in demos is quite exactly 30?
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
06:23:10
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Hopefully (or possibly?), there are more. Even though PLUS/4 WORLD is a great place, it's not frequented by all plus/4 users regularly. And some ppl don't get around to vote. See how much trouble Luca has with getting more votesheets for the LONENEWS top lists.
I guess posting (ie advertising) compos on other 8bit related forums/sites would draw some attention.
Still, I'm surprised in a very positive way by this compo: Very well performed (especially the technical aspects and the presentation), enough entries to feel that the scene is alive and 30 people taking their time to check out the demos and vote.
A BIG thank you to everbody involved! And to those who haven't voted, yet... HURRY UP
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-04-28
11:15:56
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
30 registrated people interested in +4 demos is a good result in my eyes. we are a small scene...
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-28
11:48:11
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I agree...I think given the number of entries, and the number of votes, thats a pretty good result. Its not been hugely publicized, and its been pretty quick when you think about it, so 30 folk voting is great!
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Posted By
Jay
on 2007-04-28
11:53:47
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
A couple of questions:
Is this going to be an annual event? If so, continue to publicize the results well into 2007 for this years comp. A buzz will build (especially since the demos are so strong!) as people come and go - not everyone surfs the sites on a regular basis, I imagine. Next year it will be even stronger!
Also, how do I register?
Thanks,
Jay
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-28
11:57:12
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Jay: first of all check your mailbox, about your partially filled votesheet.
And...yes why not? It would become, maybe with some juicy prizes too!
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-28
12:46:34
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Yearly event would be nice...and prizes (of some sort) would be even better!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
19:16:14
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ant the winner is... ?!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
19:19:22
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
And...
I really should start PREVIEW my posts %) No, I'm not drunk... just still up to see if my dad wins the battle against evil WORD without losing his 16page sermon for tomorrow And yes, the is a definetely more interesting than OSCAR nights
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
19:21:02
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
PREVIEWING... dammit :D Of course I didn't I guess I'm tired... Luca, I pitty you for adding all them big numbers
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-28
19:24:47
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, take me as a sort of hero, you can't know...
Now I'm gonna put up a little compo final chapter in the limiTED page. Meanwhile, would you have a quick peeking to the complete Final Results MSexcel sheet?
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
19:37:04
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I'm not at my place and the installed 7Zip version can't open the zipped folder Strange, it's quite a new one...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-28
19:39:20
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
7zip opens the 7zip files, not the .ZIPs I guess .
But, here for your eyes only, the unzipped version too! :)
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
19:48:29
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
7zip opens pretty much everything I thought... It does open other zipped (not 7zipped files). But mille grazie anyway
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Posted By
Ulysses777
on 2007-04-28
20:16:13
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
The link for the zip file in Luca's post was broken (fixed now).
I'm guessing your browser must have saved the 404 HTML message as an (invalid) ZIP file.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
20:16:20
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Very interesting and pretty much what I expected, though small differences to my personal preferences exist.
Strikingly, some ppl thought almost exactly the same (see comments). Must be the same CPU inside
I should have participated in the "Guess who?"-contest... I'd beat Csabo Cheers, mate! I thought that looking at the code is too much "cheating" but some demos just asked for MONITOR... interesting bits. Hopefully, some ppl decide to publish documented sources. That's the best way to learn...
Buona notte
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
20:19:17
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ulysses777...
Yep, that's exactly what happened I dled the zipped file again and now 7zip can open it.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-28
20:30:23
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Is that green and blue striped screen showing the Csabonian flag? Ok, all rise for the Csabonian anthem... Unts Unts Unts Unts
I'm off... G'nite guys!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-29
01:43:13
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Nice work everyone!
Thank you for vonting on my small demos...
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-29
02:22:55
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Reading the comments and the author guesses is really funny. Csabo, you need to resign, misguessing in a row. Luckly you do coding a lot better...
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-29
05:14:34
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Great demo comp guys - great fun!
A few surprises in there too (for me), I thought some should have been much higher, and some much lower, but great to read every one elses comments. I guess I just look for different things in demos these days (might not bode well for XeO3...oops... ! )
And yeah....It was good to beat Csabo on guessing who did what
(I guess next time, those that don't guess...shouldn't be listed! )
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-29
05:19:50
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
wow.. this Exin must have been in a really bad mood when writing his comments. Guess he did not consider they would be published with name attached?
FYI: 1D Demo II was not that easy to code (took at least two hours, as compared to much less for the other entries ) Source is attached. Its the only 64byte demo without rasterbugs!
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-29
07:06:43
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I agree with indi. It was nice to read the comments. While most of them pointed out the good things about a demo even if it wasn't the commentator's favorite one, a very few comments are rather hurting.
I don't mind criticism but it should be fair and at least constructive. It's ok not to like a demo but nobody needs plain dissing. I guess, in the end those comments speak for their author(s)
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Posted By
JamesC
on 2007-04-29
10:19:21
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Chicken: I don't mind criticism but it should be fair and at least constructive.
I was one of the more critical persons...... but I followed the instructions on our news page: Write your personal comments for any entry, glorify the best, insult those which you dislike!
Does this make me Simon Cowell?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-29
10:21:35
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Yep! Wanna see you all bleeding by userwar!
Come to Pouet too and do it at best! I'm inserting entries right now...
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-29
10:27:01
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
JamesC: Actually I could not find a single insulting comment from you Maybe there is some subtelty of language I am missing.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2007-04-29
10:29:56
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
JamesC... my lines weren't aimed at you, not at all
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2007-04-29
12:02:09
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
2 hours of coding? phew... I won't tell you how much time I spent with optimizing the scroll text to fit in into Too much for 1k...
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Posted By
Bionic
on 2007-04-29
12:05:38
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
well, 1024=16*64
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-29
14:05:42
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
I spent ages doing mine as well....I guess everyone spent a reasonable amount of time squishing it all down. Doing the demos were one thing, fitting them in to 64/128/1k was something else - and thats what I loved about it!
The smooth stars was over 200 bytes at one point!!
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Posted By
Lacoste
on 2007-04-29
14:11:21
 | Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Hey! Who made the badge ? It is unbeliveably creative !!!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-29
14:16:43
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
The CursorArrows medals has been done by me, like all the rest
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Posted By
Gaia
on 2007-04-29
14:44:47
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Hey nice & all! Thumbs up for the winners and f***ings to the losers (just kidding ). I just see I have won the identity compo, yeehaa, do I get a prize?
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Posted By
indi
on 2007-04-29
16:01:21
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
yep! Your prize is that you get to donate the prize for next year!!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-04-29
16:06:04
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Or at least, code an entry, what the...
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2007-04-30
09:55:52
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ah, that was all good stuff! Man, 26 entries and all of very high quality... Kudos to everyone. A thing that still gives me a good laugh is that our little scene flooded more than full page on pouet
@Ninja: Your Technomaker rocks!
BTW: I don't think there was any real insulting language. Some comments were a bit too critical (or lacking subtelty).
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2007-05-02
21:26:26
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Thank you! I really liked the competition, big respect and thanks to the organizers. I agree that there were a number of interesting releases. Regarding the results, taste differs
By the way, for some days now I can't download the stuff from c64.rulez.org. Is this just a temporary problem?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2007-05-05
02:06:24
| Re: [limiTED] 64bytes/(128bytes/)1024bytes democompo!
Ok, today rulez.org has the gift of grace, and can be acceded! So you can grab the whole packs with alternative versions sources and all the rest.
Try pushing up you prefer limiTED releases on Pouet too, coz they'd been kicked out when just entered because of rulez.org...
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