Posted By
Pepax
on 2008-02-28
02:55:12
|  Árok #10
Hi!
Does anyone have any idea about this year's Arok Party's date?
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-02-28
14:22:27
 | Re: Árok #10
maybe similar to last year's 
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2008-02-28
14:28:08
| Re: Árok #10
I hope so, I regret so much that I couldn't go there last year and the year before...
And one has to plan far ahead these days, cheap flights don't last forever you know...
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-04-06
14:19:23
| Re: Árok #10
This info is not official yet, but seems like the Arok 2008 party date is: 22-24 of august!
(i met one of my friends on iwiw and he told me that)
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Posted By
Luca
on 2008-04-06
14:23:50
 | Re: Árok #10
Poison confirms: 22-24 August.
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2008-04-19
04:39:16
| Re: Árok #10
Thanks for the info!
I would like to include it in the Atari event calendar (after all, it's not a C=-only party  ) at www.atariportal.cz. Does all the other information about Árok still apply?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2008-04-19
05:01:07
| Re: Árok #10
Well, the offical site is not updated yet, but we're sure about this calendar I STRONGLY hope Soci will fix rulez.org before the party, you all should have just noticed it's offline since weeks! 
OT: "Sirius" looks fantastic, I'll give it a try when at home, it seems they used the 5 standard Atari sprites and saved lotta charset for the backgrounds, I'm interested in seeing how much variety...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2008-04-19
13:04:15
| Re: Árok #10
Fixed, thanks.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-04-20
15:14:54
| Re: Árok #10
- GO AND DO SOMETHING (EG. DEMO) TO THE PARTY! -
you have 3 month is more than enough for a filedemo!
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-04-23
16:46:53
| Re: Árok #10
By the way, does the above mentioned Megaload V6 run on NTSC machines ?
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-05-04
13:03:40
| Re: Árok #10
hey, did u plan to visit the party?
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Posted By
Lacoste
on 2008-05-04
13:16:14
 | Re: Árok #10
Yes I would like, and the prize of the compo winner demo will be a BRAND NEW PLUS4 DVD !!
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2008-05-06
04:27:32
| Re: Árok #10
Sadly, i won't be able to attend (as far as i can see now).
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-07-15
09:08:28
| Re: Árok #10
the event is coming! anybody working on something?
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2008-07-15
22:44:08
| Re: Árok #10
It would be nice to see something new released, but the chances of that seem low. BTW, any news about that game, you know, the one with bombs or something?
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2008-07-18
12:51:23
| Re: Árok #10
No remote entry from my side. I'm currently fighting to have any spare time
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-07-18
13:03:55
| Re: Árok #10
Hopefully there will be at least more entries than at SceneCON
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2008-08-01
08:48:11
| Re: Árok #10
Getting closer to the date: who's gonna be there (and will be square)?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2008-08-01
09:29:11
| Re: Árok #10
me
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Posted By
Lacoste
on 2008-08-01
12:46:59
| Re: Árok #10
me
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-01
14:10:49
| Re: Árok #10
miniMEE
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-01
14:14:30
| Re: Árok #10
if u wanna send stuff to the party and cannot attend please send it to me (picture, demo etc..) and i show and release it (I have partystuff ALREADY, so come or contribute!)..
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-07
13:28:32
| Re: Árok #10
arok is coming! be prepared!!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-11
07:41:08
| Re: Árok #10
hey! if u have something don't hide! multi gfx, intro etc. u have almost 2 weeks to contribute!! btw, please send stuff for the tj compo too u lazy bastards !!!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-18
13:02:42
| Re: Árok #10
hey, friday is the deadline for the e-mail stuff!
thx for the contributions, i'm proud of ya!
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-18
16:05:10
 | Re: Árok #10
Hi!!
I hope you received the pictures I sent you today (to the mail address you highlighted in the member area)
In fact there is only one I think may contribute as real stuff for the competition.
The rest of pictures is send to show the strenghts of PLUS/4 palette, even in single multicolor mode! Demoralize the C64 team, what is coming next year )
I hope later a releae will follow, organized around topics (Concept Car, Amiga, Conan, the first ones I just prepare), but still need a lot of work to optimize them.
HUGE respect to Istvan Varga, who developped new to the fantastic PLUS4EMU the most successful multicolor graphics converter program I have ever seen for Plus/4 . Without him I would never be able to convience myself to restart pixel-magic...
(In fact i tried one year ago with Congo, but the result was far from satisfactory even after 15 hours of job in microillustrator..)
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2008-08-21
04:51:37
| Re: Árok #10
How come there are only 3 Plus/4 names in the pre-visitor list?
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2008-08-21
04:52:21
| Re: Árok #10
Looks almost like a C64 party...
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-21
12:41:12
| Re: Árok #10
yea.. but there will be new releases so come!!!!!
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Posted By
Pepax
on 2008-08-22
03:14:05
| Re: Árok #10
I will (hopefully), and some more Atarians with me. :-D
Hopefully there will be someone who can give me an advice how to fix my Plus/4 which I'm unfortunately not bringing with me - not enough space in the backpack.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-22
14:28:00
| Re: Árok #10
meet u at the lovepara.. err.. Arok 10!
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Posted By
Csio
on 2008-08-22
14:34:30
| Re: Árok #10
huh, majdnem lamaradtam a partyról! Szerencsére Tádé boy meggyógyult!
| Re: Árok #10
whew, I almost missed the party! Luckily Tádé boy got better!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-23
14:40:04
| Re: Árok #10
we're here at the party. not too many attendants from the plusi side. i've seen rachy, tlc and of course dcd csio and me
thank god we got stuff to represent the scene surprisingly much graphics!!!
later i'm going to do a partyreport..
the weather isn't that good, there is some raining which cancels the barbecue
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-23
15:43:31
| Re: Árok #10
Yeah, here is Szekesfehervar was just a big raining. At least my car is clean now! )
Have a good party!
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2008-08-23
16:07:30
| Re: Árok #10
We're anxious to hear about the new releases and compo results! Keep us updated
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-23
16:08:41
| Re: Árok #10
I just saw, what I wrote some days ago. I thought my English is not SOOO bad, looks that those 3 beers had a real negative effect on my languange skills )
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-23
16:59:13
| Re: Árok #10
by me i think there is a positive impact in english when i drunk but its not the point now..
the compos is over, there was 15 pictures, SIX on plusi and five demos THREE on plusi.. the third is only a party version but the others catchable soon.. we're wainting for the collection of the votes now..
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-23
17:23:22
| Re: Árok #10
csio message: homo Lako where are you now???
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-23
18:52:15
| Re: Árok #10
here are the results (not official):
gfx compo
1. clown by amr (c64)
2. spectrum picture by whatever i don't know
3. leon
4. JEDI!!!!
demo compo
1. chorus c64
2. resource c64
3. monitor by asn !!!!!
were going home .. wait for the official releases, good byte
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-24
07:10:28
| Re: Árok #10
I wish a safe trip back home!
Thanks for your support, I hope you enjoyed the Party!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-25
09:33:42
| Re: Árok #10
i've posted the stuff already so keep watching the site
there is a lot of pictures here:
http://chronos.servers.hu/arok10party/
and some videos on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/chronos75
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-08-25
10:00:41
| Re: Árok #10
Are the demos available for download somewhere ?
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-25
10:06:48
| Re: Árok #10
i've posted to csabo,luca and poison already so i think u can download it soon!
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2008-08-25
10:13:21
| Re: Árok #10
Thanks for posting the links. If you have access to the 404 logs of your site, you'll see me desperately trying to figure out the URL (I tried every combination of "arok" "10" and "2008", but couldn't remember "party").
Sorry for the lateness, I got the new releases early yesterday and would have been very happy to update the site but it was unfortunately down. It's up now, but I'm at work, so the downloads will have to wait a few more hours (unless Luca beats me to it).
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-25
14:28:57
| Re: Árok #10
Hi, thanks for posting the photos!
By the way, the environment of Party prefers the stong colors and high contrasted pictures, as there was no special paper for the beamer. Maybe next time I will keep it in mind, and prepare something "strong" (cherry droppped into vodka, for example ) )
By the way, this Copas was not the guy on IMG_3091? Called Nemeth Gabor? Because if he is that guy I know, he coded on Plussy in 1992 (during the University we were on the same floor in Schonhertz), and he had a fantastic 3-voice music module on Plus/4 using digitized smaples (guitar, drum, etc), like tracker on Amiga (I do not know any similar thing on C64 or Amiga), and sounded pretty well.
Maybe I have it on one of my discs, but have no
a) C=1541
b) Printer port to connect my X1541 I built 14 years ago
So cannot check it myself in those 80 discs
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-25
14:31:20
| Re: Árok #10
Looks that I am already too tired.
So: I do not know any similar thing on C64, but only on Amiga, and few ones on PC.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-25
14:34:23
| Re: Árok #10
on img_3091: the left side me, chronos.. on the right side the one and only DCD!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-25
14:38:45
| Re: Árok #10
btw, any new info about luca and degauss? i cannot see them at the whole summer...
maybe one of them working at a boat rental or an ice cream shop
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Posted By
Csio
on 2008-08-25
15:36:45
| Re: Árok #10
fent vannak a results-ok now at ezen a page-n:
http://arok.intro.hu/
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-08-26
06:04:23
| Re: Árok #10
> HUGE respect to Istvan Varga, who developped new to the fantastic PLUS4EMU the most successful multicolor graphics converter program I have ever seen for Plus/4.
Just a minor correction: the converter is called 'p4fliconv', and not 'plus4emu'. It is really disappointing that my emulator is ignored to the extent that it is even confused with other programs (the same error seems to have been made in a note file on the Árok 10 disk).
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-26
06:06:12
| Re: Árok #10
sorry for that, i was in a hurry and tired already.. there is other mistakes possible.. but u have the credit and this is the most important!!
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Posted By
Lacoste
on 2008-08-26
07:24:26
| Re: Árok #10
Csio: Persze megígértem, hogy megyek, de éppen költözünk. Te is gazdag vagy, mert látom ott a navigációs rendszer a kocsidba! Eladtad a DVD-t amit ingyen küldtem neked mi ?
| Re: Árok #10
Csio: Sure I promised to go, but we were moving. You must be rich, because as I can see you have a navigation system in your car! You sold the DVD I sent you for free, didn't you?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2008-08-26
10:20:22
| Re: Árok #10
moha uncle navigation unit bring by funking chronos!
!poikosoft!
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-08-26
15:34:32
| Re: Árok #10
Hey Istvan,
I was that lame gave that comment, but I have an explanation... In fact I was in a hurry, and missed an "and" from that sentese (also a comma, but who cares)
I do handle the converter as the part of your EMU package, as the converter is continuously using Plus4EMU. I do not mix them up, but FLICONV is not working without the other.
I do understand, that you had the MOST work on the EMU part to have it cycle exact and supporting all tricks and timings enable all FLIs via emu, and we all greatly respect your work. For me -as graphician- the converter is the most valuable part of the package, as it saves me several hours of work (I can spend on creating other pictures ).
Due to that I have the hype on that part, without ignoring the main contributor of the full package: the Emulator
Thanks again, and be sure: all the people here are your friends
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Posted By
Luca
on 2008-08-29
13:37:24
| Re: Árok #10
Congrats to all those guys, I really appreciated your new stuff.
No bombs yet?
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-08-29
13:49:02
| Re: Árok #10
hey luca! good to see you again on the forum! no, no bombs yet.. we need to do a lot of work on it.. (new loader routine, bugfixes)
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Posted By
Luca
on 2008-08-29
15:08:14
| Re: Árok #10
Yep, beg your pardon, I won't be so present in the next period too... Nothing dangerous, but life did a freaky joke to my heart'n'soul, and have no power to follow the scene at the moment.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-09-04
16:38:24
| Re: Árok #10
put in on the fr0ntpag3! because i'm on the pictures :D
kudos for that to Istvan!
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-09-11
17:02:43
| Re: Árok #10
It could be improved somewhat, both the conversion quality might be tweaked, and maybe some images could be replaced with better ones as well. I do not know if it is worth creating a simple "demo" from this, as there are not many responses. By the way, does anyone find the image loader/viewer code useful as a standalone program ?
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Posted By
MMS
on 2008-09-11
18:58:17
| Re: Árok #10
Ohhhm, you mean the PRG version at the save? (Sorry,I am a little fuzzy after Fezen's Tankcsapda, Blackout etc, and certaily Jager and beer....)
I always use it to check if the conversion is good enough. There are sooo many things/settings i can play... I save the PRG view version always and still paralelly with the Converter I open an other task to see end-result. It helps a lot to see, how it will look like in Botticelli before editing, sometimes I make a conversion 20-25 times, as I am not happy with the result...
So as a reuslt: I found it VERY useful
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-09-12
02:31:47
| Re: Árok #10
i know what u mean.. a slideshow wizard! yes it could be useful, but as mms said, we do a lot of tweaks on the converted picture before publishing it.. its not at photos just at other gfx.. btw (:D) i'll request a feature for the converter!!! so, please inlude a row at the "dither type" as "nothing" or "nope".. just try to convert a single black and white tag in multicolor.. there will be some plus pixels on the screen.. thx..
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-09-12
06:20:07
| Re: Árok #10
> i know what u mean.. a slideshow wizard! yes it could be useful, but as mms said, we do a lot of tweaks on the converted picture before publishing it..
Slideshows can be created by simply replacing the "imageNN" files with new ones; you can change the number of the first and last image in the loader program. It can only display FLI images, although adding support for non-FLI modes could be possible. The data format is expected to be either "raw PRG", or (as it actually is on the above disks) "raw PRG" in compressed format (e.g. 'compress.exe -m2 -9 -fli image01.fli image01_.fli', and then add image01_.fli as 'image01' to the disk).
> i'll request a feature for the converter!!! so, please inlude a row at the "dither type" as "nothing" or "nope".. just try to convert a single black and white tag in multicolor.. there will be some plus pixels on the screen.. thx..
Well, since I plan to release a new "bug fix" release in a few days, I could add the no-dither option (you can already disable dithering by setting any of the diffuse dither types - e.g. Floyd-Steinberg - and a zero dither limit, but it is probably not very intuitive). However, it is possible that you get the unwanted extra pixels because of interpolation, and not dithering; see the previous discussions about how the image resizing works in the converter, and how to avoid interpolation artifacts or do pixel exact conversions. So, an option to explicitly disable the sinc interpolation might be useful as well ?
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-09-12
07:30:02
| Re: Árok #10
yep, i will make a screenshot soon what i mean..
thx for the fast response..
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2008-09-12
15:26:02
| Re: Árok #10
here is the sample:
http://chronos.servers.hu/scoresample.png
its originally a pic with 320x200 dimensions, containing already a plus4 palette.. when i open, the converter resizes it automatically and there is some artifacts on the preview.. check the sample i cannot describe it better..
(off: i cannot know sh-- about the available tags so copy'n'paste tha link! télleg wut available? :off)
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-09-12
16:24:04
| Re: Árok #10
Yes, the artifacts are because of the resizing; to avoid them, you can either resize the image to 640x400 before opening (without interpolation, so that each pixel becomes a 2x2 square), or keep the 320x200 resolution, use the plus/4 palette (with all colors at the correct index, and no transparency), and save in .gif format. In the first case, there will still be some artifacts in the non-preview display (because it is resized to 768x576, and not 640x400), but not in the actual conversion output.
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-09-12
16:27:12
| Re: Árok #10
By the way, to post links, you can use the < url > ... < / url > tag (without the spaces). There is also an undocumented forum feature to link to software etc. on this site, by using double square brackets around the name.
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Posted By
IstvanV
on 2008-09-23
05:37:59
| Re: Árok #10
The no-dithering and no-interpolation options are now added to the converter. There are some others, too: the image opening effect can be disabled (this was supported by the FLI viewer for a long time, just not implemented as an option in the GUI), and the compression type can be selected for the raw PRG output format. The compressor utility has also been improved somewhat.
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