Posted By
siz
on 2019-04-30
11:10:39
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Today is the 25th anniversary of the sad event of Commodore going bankrupt. :( Rest in peace, Commodore (1954-1994). Your memory will never be forgotten.
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Posted By
Lacus
on 2019-04-30
11:10:39
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You can found a photo here about the last day: http://sliwer.ucoz.pl/index/historia_amigi/0-20
The flag is on half way.
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Posted By
carrion
on 2019-05-01
13:53:42
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There was also a movie, I guess where Dave Haynie did the very last day at Commodore (I can't find it now on YT).
Funny how the history of computing happened here in easter Europe (Poland in particular, but Id love to hear Hungaraian, German, Czech, Austrian history too).
My first computer was C116 in '86, Then C64c in '88
In 1994 I bought Amiga 500 on 1994! then one year later A1200 and did my first year at university with A1200 and Pascal and later C programming on non expanded Amiga with no HD - a nightmare if you ask me. 
in 1990-94 we had no internet nor even computer magazines aware that C= is going bye, bye... We've learned that by ourselves when some news arrived... too late.
I had to switch to PC and ... Linux (Slackware) 1995/96 as it was very popular at Computer Science students back then. I never regret that.
now we have "back to retro" time which is also something very important to me. And if you ask me about my plans than the answer is:
I plan to do more on all my beloved C= platforms, in particular order: C64, C116, Amiga
Peace!
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Posted By
Lavina
on 2019-05-02
07:51:44
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Carrion, by C116 do you mean Plus4??
There are some guys waiting for you with demo gfx
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Posted By
siz
on 2019-05-02
10:03:41
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I'd think he meant Commodore 116
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Posted By
Lavina
on 2019-05-02
12:42:41
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AFAIK there is no visible scene for that particular rarity.
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Posted By
siz
on 2019-05-02
13:54:56
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I'm pretty sure there are a lot of releases for that platform. The one comes to my mind instantly is 8 shades of black.
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Posted By
Mad
on 2019-05-02
14:13:55
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"Judging" from the particular order of Carrion up there it even must be more advanced than a C64..
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Posted By
George
on 2019-05-02
14:53:14
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Of course there is a C116 scene
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Posted By
MMS
on 2019-05-02
18:45:06
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Actually, I think FLI is not possible on C116, only on C116 64K+ 
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Posted By
siz
on 2019-05-03
02:01:19
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That's also proven not to be true: Sweet DFLI C16
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2019-05-03
08:55:51
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I was surprised by MMS' comment too, but then I figured when he says "FLI", he means "(D)FLI picutre" (e.g. like what the converters produce). When coders talk about FLI, we mean just the effect, using 4 color maps instead of 1 in one character, for at least some lines.
One FLI picture would be one bitmap ($2000) plus four color and luminance maps ($800 each), so that's already all the memory we have ($4000). It would probably be possible to fit one full screen FLI picture into the memory, but only by using a lot of trickery, e.g. hiding the code in the bitmap, and using "fewer than maximum" colors in some areas.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2019-05-03
10:04:03
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Thanks for the clarification.
Yes, according to my calculation, there is no memory left for the code with (D)FLI mode, extra to the full screen bitmap and color maps.
Seems some pros could overcome this limitation too, using 17K from the available 16K RAM
Sorry, I could not imagine that
PS. gerliczer's nice program evidently an FLI (darker and ligher blue patterns show it), though you could reach very similar r result with color3 and background color raster lines.
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Posted By
gerliczer
on 2019-05-03
14:59:41
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@Csabo: I did a quick calculation, and it seems to be possible to do 19 char rows (152 raster lines) high DFLI in 16k without significant trickery if you can keep the display code's size somewhere around 2k and manage to stash it in the gaps of used memory.
@MMS: It can't really be done with raster lines 'cause its only one of the three effects. The other two most definitely needs DFLI.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2019-05-03
19:12:06
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thanks for explanation!
Anyhow, when I hear Commodore's end, I always get a little angry. Because it was done by few lawyer supported money hungry opportunistic beasts, wanted to be rich v.quickly.
The guys asked big money for the XOR routine had no programming skills or any other added value.
They just sued companies to get easy money, and blocked Commodore to release CD32 in US.
This made C= bankcrupted, as CD32 was their last major hope.
Those guys should rot in hell ! No release allowed even after 1000 years ! 
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Posted By
George
on 2019-05-03
17:16:58
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Well Jack Tramiel considerd business as war and i am sure he wasn't nice to his competitors either. Maybe he just provoked the downfall himself by attacking Texas Instruments (e.g.) with his price politics. I am sure his first goal was to make big money in short time.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2019-05-03
19:24:52
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Well, yes.
But at the same time he and C= created some values, great and cheap computers for the masses.
Those few "ticks" just destroyed a big company, employed (gave work) for hundreds of people...
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Posted By
carrion
on 2019-05-04
15:26:29
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Hehe guys. Funny discussion we have here.
And yes my plan is to release some kind slideshow to be possible to run on 16kb machines.
but to be honest my upcoming C264 releases are still going to need 64kb.
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