Re: AROK PARTY 2018 In earlier versions with this fx I had similarly faster ones as in the C64 version but did not look good. The plasma itself does not have a big resolution so the sudden changes cannot be followed by the eye (brain), hence it does not look good... The lack of smooth color transitions just make this worse.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 wow, one example when the faster is not better, th C64 version just hurts my eyes. Probably they need to change only one color byte instead of the two, and it made the routine two times faster? or what...
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Hey this plasma looks somehow wiggely and way to fast on C64.. Seen your entry I was thinking that it is one of the best plasma choices ever. This C64 one is at least for me pretty unpretty.. Dunno what went wrong with the conversion to C64, perhaps it's really the colors.. Dunno..
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Some impressive effects good music and good graphic work. I especially liked the Voxel. Hope it turned out like Edhellon (and Oswald?) planned this demo to be?
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 I think he told me he has plans but "plans" obviously don't mean too much. The activity of the C64 scene is very tempting, don't blame him.
It's not about Árok, but I don't want to create one more new topic for this.
We had X2018 over the weekend and that was amazing! That is strictly a C64 only party but the winner prod has some Plus/4 connection, because Edhellon had major part in the creation.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 @Bubis: Yes I think it's right that way now. @Luca: Yes, it makes sense - generally speaking - because the method we describe can be different as well to achieve the same visual effects...
Also, not sure if it was (properly) discussed/mentioned, I've just added this to the note of the sw page, but the animation in MicroMorph0s1s actually runs at ~30 FPS in PAL-60 mode (60 Hz!). I guess this is a first on Plussy.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Yes bubis, I remember that Csabo suggested to me exactly the same way: describe the effect by how it looks like, before trying to categorize it by its code behind it
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 I haven't found a proper definition yet either. Let me try: An advanced color cycle effect creates the illusion of motion by the recurring display of multiple recolored (character or bitmap) screens.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 I would also vote to add censor designs colorcycling to the effects list. In states united the daisy shaped tunnel is a RLE character "line" routine so no colorram there. In states united there is one very badly done colorram cycle loading effect before this girl in the mirror.. All the other effects don't rely on colorcycling, the rainbow tunnel just has a fixed colorram as far as I remember. Ah this strange shortly shown dotscape is a colorcycling, too.. But I would not count such basic stuff in there, lavina did many of the correct effects which also would be counted as this (advanced) colorcycling. However perhaps this dotscape would be in for it, too..
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 I also began to discuss adding the effect with Csabo but got stuck because of similar reasons... No clear definition yet.
For example, is it mandatory to have a smooth movement (besides CYCLING colors) OR just changing/cycling colors on some parts of one single stationary bitmap counts as a color cycler? Dunno. Consider Csabó's LOD Is Back.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 A note aside: Csabo I would like to add colorcycles (or color RAM rotators) in the Effects but I would need a well restricting and describing definition in order to keep out some general color rotating cheap demos. Overall, I saw this effect in Rocket Science and Promised Land only (maybe the weird daisy shaped tunnel in States United?). E.g., even some transitional effect in Rocket Science might be seen as colorcycles...how to set the right line to separate which is colorcycle and which is not?
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Thanks Luca. Yes, I'm looking at it as something that I HAD to do (also always wanted to do), and most probably I'll not be able to surpass.
But yeah, never say never.
BTW, it's interesting to see the source breakdown where the traffic comes from to PL Youtube videos:
pouet.net 35,7% Facebook 18,5% csdb.dk 15,9% plus4world.com 14,0% Unknown/rare 9,0% enlight.ru 0,8% The rest is blogs, etc.
I also saw various (mainly c64) forums where they talk about the demo, mostly about the colorcyclers, techniques, etc. Good to see that the demo brings attention to our platform, this was one of my main goals. :) This raising of attention is indeed a part of a bigger master plan. :D
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 It has been a pleasure to read the whole history beyond Promised Land, thank you Lavina. Now it's quite clear that this trackmo represents the lifetime masterpiece, not just because it shows so many effects you were working on in years, but also it contains past memories, personal taste, old buds, new horizons, intimate dedications to important pieces of your life and so on. My vote of 10 is very well deserved.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 I just get back from the vacation and finally had the time to check the stuff on real hardware.
WOW!
The Slideshow demo is freaking awesome!!! The demo from Lavina - I'm speechless. but is it only me or is there something wrong with my HW. I don't hear music? I guess it's due the fact it's SID and no TED based? Well then the demo is 99% perfect. SID is for c64 demos. here we have TED which I started to love more and more since the great new C+4 trackers...
Anyway It's not a complaint but rather the observation so ...
Keep the demos coming.
ps. I was wondering when people start do color ram rotators (like Censor Design does on C64) and here we are... more please... I think I have and idea for another one color rotator Lavina... have you seen game Yoomp on C64 (and Atari)? Well I think the C64 implementation is done wrong way. We should have done it with color rotation trick... what you say? I'm here to help
Kind Regards. And bring more demos to C+4.
[edit] Oh and thenks for the greetings!!! I really appreciate it. I really do!
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Thanks for the writeup Lavina!! Interessting progress on the demo. Also funny that it was originally planned as a onefiler. Nice read.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 I added a quite comprehensive How it's Made style description to the Promised Land page. If you have some free time grab a beer and read it.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 OFF: to be fair, Larry's C64 slideshow was also shocking good. Without those colors, just the 16 grey levels generated stunning photo quality even on C64. I did not expected that from a a C64, while I expected some outstanding quality from Larry on the Plus/4. Hats off!
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Great great Arok demos!!! The one by Lavina was especially stunning. All these effects and many of them not seen before on a plus/4. Some effects seemed to me like they should be consume a lot of memory and they did run fast nevertheless. So yes, I am too speechless about this quality release. The slideshow was also a great pleasure to watch, the motives choosen where absolutely flawless, they would even look awesome in a 2010s PC demo or something. Thanks for that. The other releases where too great to watch. Seems this Arok was something special in plus/4 history!
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Micromorph: Can we get the Plus/4 version of Avangers3 in this format?
Actually Larry's productions reached that level it is hard to say it is not a JPG. I mean close to perfect. I remember back in my Intel286 days with my first Trident VGA I collected JPGs on my small HDD look worse than these +4 pictures.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Congrats guys, I've enjoyed all the stunning releases from all of you! Lavina the winning trackmo is a fantastic breeze of modernity into the scene, most of all I appreciated the innovative colorcycling stuff that had been my envy from some other bigger scenes since years, we've just seen'em in some Bauknecht releases but yours look like the full non-limited effects I was awaiting for! <3 And...oh, what a heartwarming dedication! :D
Overcast is also great, enriched by a pow-er-ful tune by Csabo (which I wanna have in HVTC ASAP!), and the gfx compo participants too did some pretty nice job! Last but not the least, Larry pushed FLIs to an unthinkable border, releasing the very first production by Profik on Plus/4! Though being not my cup of tea, MicroMorph0s1s won the wild compo...because of being so WILD!
More infos about the obscure Skyremake would be appreciated, I've just stolen 7 (!) TED tunes from what does look like...a TV format quiz game?
And finally, happy 20th birthday Árok Party, where some of my sweetest memories are! Thinking about a comeback next time, what do you think Degauss?
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Thank you! Plus/4 orange and red are little too pale, but eh. With Promised land it was visible it is more than enough.
I felt the yellow on Garfield was more off, but I had no better color. Frankly speaking, Abcug's Pixelshop uses a really bad palette, so it continuously requires the imagination, how it will look like on the real machine, and I always kept open a JPG palette to keep colors. I wanted (COR!) to put the full palette on the screen (ok, I succees just the third), just Amiga can do similar quantities (halfbright mode), or Sam Coupe or Atari 100XL with raster tricks.
But still, was a useful tool. Next time I will try again Csabo editor :-D, if I remember well, also supports HFLI. I really like HFLI mode, keeps a lot of details and 8 colors within an attribute! Nice.
I forgot to mention but that full screen tunnel of Overcatst was SHOCKiNG good. I hear those poor c64 guys in the background Technically speaking, it should be a char based animation, though the number of special characters looks to be little too much? Or maybe 4 or 5 gfx screens?
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 @MMS: The only point I felt it could get more credits to speed up and/or give a little more transient effect how the big tile text come in and faded out.
I totally agree. I've made half of the demo on Thursday and had no time for proper code and memory management so I had to load everything from disk. And for that there were too many animation phases. Although I'm really glad that we've managed to finish the demo "long" before the deadline. And special thanks for Csabo not only for the superb music he did but also for his suggestions to improve the quality of the demo (a lot!).
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 BTW MMS, the colors in your picture are really well chosen. Garfield is faded in pastel colors, and everything else is strong and saturated. It looks cool!
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I was there with the guys (made the Skyremake) during the chat with Hermit, and technically speaking, it is a nice achievement (but should not forget, the George also did it in the past). The music is a MIDI fine converted with the help of the TEDZakker, and finetuned by the programmer.
(I also spoke with Hermit, unfortunately I have to build my own HerMIDI, I plan to control an external MIDI music card (or MIDI emulator) via this + MIDI/USB converter)
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About Overcast: I really liked how the music and the demo lived together. The only point I felt it could get more credits to speed up and/or give a little more transient effect how the big tile text come in and faded out.
Chronos picture was really funny, and cool, I mean cowl!
Unfortunately mine was fall behind in complexity or message (too much white areas). Maybe next time I will turn a Buddha sentence to a colorful full screen highly complex HFLI picture, it will grant complete enlightment and dozens of points. But "Plus/4 powa!" will remain on the screen
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 As of now, all stuff is up, including Skyremake, the other Plus/4 wild compo entry. I'm not sure what to make of this; is it a joke demo or a game that fails to load? MMS and Lavina, Murphy mentioned that you guys spoke to the creators, any way you can ask them to get in touch with us?
But after finishing to clean about 150 pieces of tiles and bricks and I saw Promised Land by GOTU... ...I couldn't believe what I heard and saw, so... ...I wasn't able to stop me to see more and more of this masterpiece:
- perfect graphics - perfect musics - perfect effects - and perfect combination of above (animations and "loading next parts" are very smooth)
By the way, I may not able to make it all on a PC or Amiga... ...It makes me shiver...
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Loved all plus4 releases, I feel a bit ashamed to steal the show before the other entries. I mean I wanted to beat C64 demos, not fellow plussy ones.
Loved the ACE demo, Csabó your TED zaxes always amaze me!
Larry's & BSZ's magic is a class of its own, obviously.
So now you know why W4PL had the name. Guess I can reveal the easter egg stuff now. So once the endscroller starts, type this: W4PLEG. Then when it all comes to the end, the 'fake easter egg' part will come.
BUT! If you write this text: GODS RULE 4EVER! to the top left corner of the screen before running the demo and do the above typing, the real hidden part comes up.
Hope you liked the ride and thanks again to everyone involved in these two prods.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 @gerliczer I tough exactly the same. Those fantastic color forms came after each other, and i told: plus/4 do not have so many colors. I mea all those nice transients seem to increase the richness of the palette. It was a really immersive experience. ALSO i have to mention Csabo fantastic tunes with crazy good drums and basses, and how well "promised" live togeher with the music style and current mood
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 gerliczer, Lavina's Function 2018 entry is obviously called Land.
Thanks for the video, Chronos. LVN maestro was super humble
Prize photos are also up here; as well as almost everything else (with the exception of Larry's stuff, which is coming soon) - so be sure to check it all out.
Hey, man! Are you up to something for Function 2018 too?
Anyway, I had again with Promised Land the feeling that "Aw man, and we had all those colours for ages, yet gave them so little use." Great demo. Grats.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 OFF. I partially disagree. Certainly most upmarket digicams with big objective are better than the top phone's photo quality, but if you want to be shocked, next time surprise your wife with an older Nokia 808 Pureview with 41MP sensor and huge real zoom possibility if you choose 8MP resolution "only". (or Nokia 1020 with Windows if you think Symbian is too old fashioned ) In pureview mode they can easily catch up in quality with big sensor cameras like Canon 5D Mk II and Olympus E-450 (I think clearly better than the later), and some other DSLRs.
You can check and compre picture quality in very high zoom too, or you can select any other phone to compare: https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=2&idPhone1=4577&idCamera2=30003&idCamera3=30001
Som eof the top phones are just marketing...
You can buy them for 200 bucks (refurbished), or 300-350 for a new one. It is not a big money, compared to a DSLR. and your hand will not hurt keeping it straight For the DSLRs just the teleobjective cost the same...
(BTW I am ultracompact fan for most of the cases, so I have a Sony DSC-T9, that also makes pretty good photos, though far from that quality we are just discussing now)
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Just to reflect on a previous comment, I actually had to buy a digital camera for my wife. I said the same thing first, why on earth when you have a top phone. Well, the top phone's photo quality is nowhere compared to the big piece of iron I had to buy for the same amont of money as the top phone.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Watching the live stream now. There're already 3 Plus/4s on the tables. And siz was running something fascinating looking on his machine? The angle is not quite right to see his monitor.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 BTW if anyone need a pickup on Saturday morning to go to Ajka, just ping me. I go from Nagykanizsa via Keszthely, Sümeg (just ping me) (Balatonfenyves, Fonyód, Héviz are close and manageable)
Prepare for retro feeling: old Skoda Fabia powa, no aircon!
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Wishing you lots of fun at Arok! I can't make it due to work pressure and the logistics of getting there. Maybe next year... At least you won't have to speak English all day!
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Yeah while the family is in the water and/or sunbathing I have nothing to do but surfing online.
regarding site upload, yeah the reason I took screenshots of the previously taken photos of the badges is to get under the file size limit of the uploader.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Lavina, good to see the site upload is (occasionally) functional And that you're so hyped about the party!
Well, I didn't win the lottery this week either, so I'm definitely not coming, but I'll be with you guys in spirit.
What gerliczer said should go without saying, we need lots of photos (including a professionally posed group photo) and party reports. Don't forget your cameras. What? What do you mean no-one has cameras anymore? They use their what? Cell-phones? Gosh dang it I'm old.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Good idea! I will check out if have some remaining badge holder at home.
Comment: You have the same problem as me (with my Epson sx200): white lines in the black printing, that makes it less impressive. You can prevent it by setting the resolution to photo quality, it will make the lines closer to each other. But with normal paper such printing setting will make it too wet, and will be wavy.The answer is photo paper.
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Well today night ( ) I could finish my HFLI picture. So I try to finish my "wild" PRG in time.
Also my 8yo dauther is working on an ECM picture (with modified charset) for C64, hopefully she will be able to finish too. (by son does not contrubute, he just plays )
Re: AROK PARTY 2018 Yep, hopefully someone will able to help me out there with a program transfer, I still do not have transfer tool to floppy. (I mean some kind of SD card based device to able to do make PC--> Plus/4 transfer. Maybe now, when the new SD1541/2 will be demonstrated, can buy one)
I still work hard on a HFLI pic, but the only HFLI editor I am aware needs great attention on the details and handling. (I mean I do a lot of mistakes and neeed to correct a lot of errors - age - ). Surely not the top3 category :-)
Probably I won't be ready with my "Atari 2600 emu" demonstration I wanted to show in wild category.
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