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Posted By
Lavina
on 2009-05-06
11:00:56
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Great stuff, congrats to all!
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Posted By
SVS
on 2009-05-04
03:45:11
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Summarizing:
a) Austrospeed can run FOR with integer variables;
b) If you have an integer STEP, then a good speed increment is obtained
c) if you store a decimal value (like 1.47) into an integer variable, the value is rounded and stored as integer (1.47 is stored as 1; 1.53 is stored as 2). Following operations of course will use *that* rounded value.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-05-04
02:12:16
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Few months back I tried that A% in the FOR routine, after you mentioned it in post. At that time I got error message. I did not pur more efforts on that, I though I just missed to read some "basic" info.
Now I just read again a Hungarian book from Ury Laszlo, and well described the setting for normal variables like A%, like A%=2. In fact, your example is exactly I mentioned, that if at the setting you use a pont (.) or after an operation it generates a non-integer, the A become floating point too.
Any idea, how to do it then? Or you just confirmed with this post that it does not work to speed up the FOR routine in this way?
Anyhow Austro did it's task, but I respect and thank any comment how I can speed up BASIC code (it is sometimes really slow  )
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-05-03
17:05:27
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
@MMS
Not exactly, every variable is floating point typed if you didn't specify the % (integer) or the $ (string) postfix. Like:
A=12.3
PRINT A
Result is
12.3
A%=12.3
PRINT A%
Result is
12
But oddly you cannot specify explicitly integer variable at the FOR iteration:
FOR A%=1 TO 10
causes syntax error. I don't know why.
On the other hand, using explicitly integer typed variable isn't faster at all, according to my experiences. It is even slower... (Most likely because of processing the extra character in the name of the variable.)
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-05-03
16:14:33
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hi, tanks for the hint, I will try it.
But if I remember well, if I do not use "." or "-" signs, then the BASIC3.5 interpreter wil treat it as integer. Or the Austrospeed works differently?
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Posted By
SVS
on 2009-05-02
03:00:26
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
@MMS:
you can use integer variable inside FOR...NEXT so that running becomes even faster
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-05-01
16:41:17
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hi SVS,
It was just a pure BASIC, nothing special. (the Greet you can download from LimiTED2)
Sure, the running code in the compiled program need some space. I can confirm, that the FOR routine became much faster. (although if it would be 3x more faster than the end-result, would have a similar speed as a bady written ML code )
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Posted By
SVS
on 2009-05-01
03:06:50
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
@MMS:
(if anyone interested, I tried Autrospeed: effect became ~3-4x faster, but 10x bigger)
I'm interested in: was your source in Basic? Or did you included ML code inside a compiled Basic-loader?
(P.S. the code is bigger because of the Austro runtime routine)
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-29
15:47:29
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
aaahhhh, I just understood it 2 minutes before too...
OK, I think I am too much out of control (brain). Shame on beer !
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-29
15:43:20
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As a real taliban of the dir-editing, the blocks have been used as "ranking"! See by yourself! 
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-29
15:40:30
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Luca, and all the "managers" !
Thank you for the results, your continuous efforts and the great resultstro! I am listening this music since 15 minutes very good
Special thanks to you spending a complete page on me, despite of memory limit...
BTW, only one question: how my little greet became 99 blocks on the disc? OMG, it was only 4 when I sent it
It would be even more lame to spend 99 blocks on such a simple code...
(if anyone interested, I tried Autrospeed: effect became ~3-4x faster, but 10x bigger)
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-28
17:55:22
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Thanks! Even though I had to record'em in low quality and double speed in order to have the whole melody in 40K
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-28
17:47:41
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big up Luca, nice resultstro! i've really enjoyed the digi!
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-27
16:12:02
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hello Dear Members of Scene!
First i would like to congrat every scenners who has to do something with limited2!
After this thanks for your inquiry.
haven't got any secret, just listen...every man , every plattform have a style....and this is my job too ( work with handycap peoples and listen theirs reactions at very sharp)
most of you scattered about something by chance - like his style, or like his very happy forum post...
bejkoz we are handycaps too, or nohh??
we coding hard on plus4 at the XXI.cent.?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ofkoz
lamepc suxx
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-27
15:50:20
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
I won in my category hehehehe
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2009-04-27
11:18:14
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Don't worry about it Luca, I'm just glad someone actually used it. Looks like the code for mad face smiley, was still broken, hopefully it's now fixed, grrr 
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-27
10:56:54
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Thanks for limiTED2 everyone who participated and especially the organizers. Thanks Luca, thanks Csabo!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-27
07:48:35
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
AAAARGH! I was sure the damn hurry would hit me with a bad joke: in the restro, I missed to thank Csabo for the wav converter tool! >
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-27
07:41:36
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Yep, me and Ian Coog checked the two versions, and we'd said the same:"They only look similar, but they're basically different...and both cool!".
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2009-04-27
04:04:59
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
First of all, I also want to thank the organizers (and especially Luca) for doing this event again. It has been very nicely executed and we even have this "resultro", great work.
About my entry and the similarity to "Borderless": It looks the same, but in fact, it is quite different technically. Actually, the sine effect is more or less only there to present the underlying technique to cross the border. On the C64 it meant setting up _sprites_, stretch them while removing sideborder and such. For the C16, it meant to find out how to get a constant _idle byte_ (or ghostbyte as it is called on C64). So, quite different approach, especially as the latter one seems to have never been used before. The only thing that was reusable was a skeleton of the BASIC sine generator which doesn't look too different from the other entries, after all
bubis: Yeah, the ghostbyte is available on VIC, too. I was pretty sure the TED works very similar regarding idle cycles (I mean, what should it do else, it has to read something). That idea was in my head since limiTED1, I just never took the time to play around before.
ian_coog: BTW, it is not half the size, but 83%. Then again, it is hires resolution and half the code size, FWIW.
gaia: I think the flickering in YAPE is because the byte from $ffff is latched (at least) one cycle too early. Could this be true? I could write a small test routine for that next week.
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2009-04-27
03:39:23
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
limiTED2 was awesome. I have to say i really love our little scene for events like that. I also think limiTED should become an annual thing - not just because its fun, but its also a scene-reviving event.
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-27
03:06:01
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Thank you guys!
And thank you for the organizers too.
@bubis
Well, you know: the most compact way of writing code is BASIC. Too bad that it is sooo slow to execute.
BTW, in this particular category of demos, when the code must be ultra-compact, Plus/4 has lot more potentials than the C64, because of the advanced ROM routines.
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Posted By
Andras78
on 2009-04-27
00:59:12
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Congratulations for all of creators! All of them are great stuff, I would like to join... later
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2009-04-26
20:08:16
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Big respects to Ninja, Degauss and Rachy Well deserved winners! I loved to watch all entries. Overall this was an awesome compo. Last but not least, big, big hats off to my main man, the Italian wonder, the man who is not-an-empty-shell, Luca! Also, thanks for the comments everyone
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-26
18:15:12
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
bubis: yes, Ninja did it before something very similar on C64, click here.
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-26
18:01:24
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
How tricky Rachy you are! You are embedding a basic prg to draw the stars.
Ninja: How do you know about this $ffff trick? Is there something similar on VIC?
Csabo, I still don't understand.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-26
17:18:21
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
The truth is: this edition we had a big fight due the incredible quality stuff!
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-26
16:52:26
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
How did you do this Csio?!? It's ok that you've found out me (I think it must have been obvious for everyone). I can accept that you've found out Csabo, because of the music. But what about Rachy? How did you do that? :D
BTW! Congrats for Rachy, Ingo and Ninja! You've all deserved you rankings! You were my favs too!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-26
16:30:19
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Csio 4 prez!
How the heck he knew about my stars?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-26
14:26:47
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Csio got you all! Really, dunno how he managed to hit all targets, if we would have a guess-who compo like the previous edition, Csio would have destroyed all of us!
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Posted By
Sdw
on 2009-04-26
14:17:22
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Great compo, and nice little "result-tro"
Some damn close scores as well and in both cases I lost by a single point!
I'd be interested to here from Csio how he managed to guess from the ECM-plasma that I had a C64 background? (good guess btw.!)
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-26
14:05:11
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
MMS I was simply woarking on it!
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-26
13:37:03
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Now, 10 minutes later it's OK, interesting...
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-26
13:35:40
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hmm, maybe I am wrong, but the result summary on 1K compo shows the last year's competiton results, not the current candidates. 128 and 512bytes are OK
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-26
08:59:33
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Moreover, after enough working around the site, it stucks and I am forced to wait X time and then start to work again...
Keep watching the daily journal, I'll write step by step all the single achievements to keep you informed.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-26
07:01:37
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Dudes, I wake up right now, this night I've come back home at 4:40 and my head turns and turns all around because of glasses and glasses of absinthe. Lemme have a lunch ad a couple of coffees and I'll do my best.
Ouch headache, pain pain... 
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Posted By
Sdw
on 2009-04-26
05:57:42
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Yeah, come on, it's 12 hours past deadline, we want to know the results!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-26
02:04:42
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Knock, knock. Wake up, Luca.
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-25
17:22:31
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hi!
Will we see the authors and rankings when the voting time is up, or we need to wait? How long?
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-23
13:25:42
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
The competition rules are open for a wild and nasty unfair voting session, you know
Nonetheless, I would invite to the vote for those who entered the compo but haven't voted yet: it's a gentleman's acting to those who joined in and have given a vote for your demo while not giving it to their own.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-23
01:45:50
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hi Csio,
I just made it for fun, as anyhow it should be banned (not anonym).
Unfortunately I was not ready with my mandelbrot generator made for 512byte compo, so decided to put together something I will be SURELY ready
I will release separately after some fine-tuning on speed.
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Posted By
Gaia
on 2009-04-22
16:17:01
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Nose and eyes Totally agree!
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Posted By
TLC
on 2009-04-22
16:16:03
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Sinx + siny might have been coded by someone with previous C64 coding experiences, ...as my nose tells .
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-22
16:10:55
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hey MMS!
Thanks for the greet from your 1k!
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-22
14:41:49
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
These guys are REALLY... motivated
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-22
10:18:30
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Oh don't care, the last the best
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Posted By
Patrick
on 2009-04-22
09:40:31
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
same here!!
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Posted By
Atisoft
on 2009-04-22
09:15:41
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Sorry, I voted two times. I can't see my vote.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-21
16:07:16
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
You can close it, I voted
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-21
04:32:58
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Ok, ok, I don't want to prevent anyone from voting. I can wait.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-21
03:09:29
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
i've voted already, but cannot receive any feedback and after i reloaded the page the voting page popped up again.. i hope my data didn't lost..
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-21
01:12:15
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hey, I also wanna vote! Unfortunately I spend most of my time at our company, and no EMU is running here to try them out (I think it is really needed for a proper voting )
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Posted By
gerliczer
on 2009-04-20
14:27:45
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hey bubis! Maybe you should swear an oath or sign an NDA and coax the names out of Luca.
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-20
12:14:49
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Please don't close the voting in such a short term. The news of the compo and the voting is spreading slowly on the different portals.
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-20
11:03:06
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Can we just close the voting phase if there are no new votes for 24h? I am so curious about the authors.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-20
10:58:55
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Where?
Oh well you may come here in Firenze, alternatively you may vote in the "VOTE!" in the official limiTED2 page
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Posted By
Patrick
on 2009-04-20
10:45:53
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
where can we vote?
i love to give my 10 points to stardust!!!!
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-20
06:13:06
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Quality stuff!
My personal fav is Stardust, pretty surprising that it fits into 1K. Rehash is also very nice!
The other surprise was Rockstar. TED hacking must have developed a lot since I last looked into it. Does it really uses the whole border?
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2009-04-20
05:53:49
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
a wonderful bunch of entries. splendid!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-20
02:18:13
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
i will check again..
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-19
16:45:07
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
It's time to vote, guys!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-19
16:22:30
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
I checked both on my plus4 and they work perfect, weird... 
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-19
15:59:21
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
respect to everybody who brought us such this quality products!
a little bit of whining: the sinx+siny 128byte doesn't show me nothing than a red screen on my old commie box. In the rockstar ate my.. demo the title's last few characters doesn't show on my tv (i think because the slim borders)
anyway, great products!
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-19
11:21:05
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
whoa!!! entrys roxx my mind!
cool!
CONGRAT TO THE CREATORS!!!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-19
10:12:28
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Oops, sorry, I still have music's echoes in my mind
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-19
09:43:30
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
It seems Luca lives in a parallel universe, where the day is always Thursday...
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-19
08:38:51
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Downloads activated!
Voting phase starting in very few hours!
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-19
08:09:48
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
nyugszik
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-19
07:34:15
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
wake up disco johann!!!!!
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Posted By
Sdw
on 2009-04-19
07:09:34
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
I'm looking forward to seeing what all others have come up with, I suspect they will make my entries look bad by comparison!
The little screenshot-icons looks interesting, now we just want to RUN the things as well! :D
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-19
03:53:17
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
we want to vote and to WATCH them
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-18
21:04:54
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
SSSSSHHH! 
That's an ANONYMOUS compo!
Yeah I'm back from dancing, adding new entries right now, and activating downloads in very little time!
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-18
18:13:05
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Csabo: Thanks. Now I can sleep.
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-18
18:12:19
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Yeah, but as I said, he is not online. I was asking about Csabo's account if anyone knows.
I am online on ICQ (24418272) and on Skype (andras.dotsch) also.
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-18
18:07:41
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
lucaicq: 265697750
lucaskype:kekule1025
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-18
18:03:38
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Yeah, but I can't send emails it seems. What is his acc on Skype or ICQ?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-18
18:01:00
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
and whatswith Luca? catch him the earthquake?
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Posted By
Degauss
on 2009-04-18
17:57:33
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
phew, i made it!
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-18
17:53:25
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
intristing moments in here..... after midnight can/could we vote immediately?
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Posted By
Csio
on 2009-04-18
17:45:27
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Luca is in the bed..... and the time is running...see you tomorrow morning...after the timelimit
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-18
15:39:57
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
"::[Daily News]::
[18 April, Thursday]
[02:10]
Back from the pub..."
Luca, you probably got enough to drink in the pub. It's Saturday already...
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Posted By
TLC
on 2009-04-17
03:12:41
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Will watch the entries on the real thing, too.
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-16
17:36:12
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
me too, but my freetime is limited LOL..
anyway in the past 2 days i spent my freetime to finish my stuff to skoro's demo..
my 1541-2 is at hand, my plusi is also, it have some chance..
i hope i can download a .d64 image also ready to copy when the compo starts
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-16
17:27:10
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Real iron testing is highly recomended!
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2009-04-16
17:02:26
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Isn't there really anybody besides Luca and me who will watch the entries on the real thing?
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-16
08:57:16
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-16
08:57:03
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Switch EMU to full speed, 800% at my side, <20 seconds
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Posted By
NinjaDRM
on 2009-04-16
08:54:27
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
As some entries have a considerable precalc time: Is there a fast-version supplied also? Would be nice, me thinks.
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-08
14:33:12
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
There is the point I should use them all
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Posted By
Chronos
on 2009-04-08
14:06:48
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
121 >
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Posted By
MMS
on 2009-04-08
02:35:41
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
How many other colors do we have? Burgundy will be too?
(Khaki was there, I do remember)
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-06
16:16:38
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
A participant has been warned via PM, please check!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-06
15:54:32
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Sent at gmail.com!
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-06
14:24:35
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Luca, I don't. Send it!
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-04-06
13:24:21
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
OMG yes YES!
bubis, I stored something yours, do you remember? If you need it... ;)
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Posted By
bubis
on 2009-04-06
12:51:27
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Oh, I haven't realized this compo until now!
I don't promise anything, but I will try to create some stuff.
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-05
03:35:17
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Great!
Giddy up coders...
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Posted By
Csabo
on 2009-04-04
18:44:02
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
There's an official announcement both in the news and on the limiTED2 page Get cracking, you have two more weeks! I want to see some demos people!
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Posted By
Rachy
on 2009-04-04
17:16:32
| Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Hm... Is the clock on the official page broken? It shows more 14 days...
I have checked the source of the page and the date is set to 18th April 2009 now.
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Posted By
Chicken
on 2009-04-04
12:40:49
 | Re: limiTED2 - official thread
Reason is reason
Any decisions, yet? It's just a matter of hours otherwise.
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Posted By
Luca
on 2009-03-01
11:56:31
| limiTED2 - official thread
Believe it or not, limiTED2 is very close to begin (4th March, my birthday!), and this is the official thread where to debate anything about it!
Start your engines, sirs!
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