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From: TLC (all posts)
Date: 1998-07-02
Subject: Re: LONG ONE!
Hi!

Damn, guys, I failed my university exam.

What a f***khead am I... :-(

> Are you using a parallel 1541 drive on your plus/4? I have two 1541 II
> drives (two different ones, though. One ejects the disk and one which
> doesn't. The ejecting one is 1000 times better... The other one bugs
> regularly if speeders go up to the limits) but none is parallel connected.
> I'm really not into hardware, figuering out which is the hot side of a
> solder is already too much :) But SOLDER could build the
> parallel connection if somebody would post a layout!

I do have a parallel connector on my 1541/II. However, I'm not using it for my Plus/4. Sometimes I did it with my C16 and C64 (but I was lazy to modify my cable for the user port of the Plus/4)

All you should do is to disassemble the 1541, and connect 8 wires to the unused PA portbits of the VIA1. Then, make these wires connect to the appropriate portbits on the user port. It makes sense to place a connector to the back of the floppy, and then build a cable between this connector and the user port.

Check my ComLink doc for more on this. I described a 15 pin connection for this, which include the regular serial lines too ( = you can connect the units togethet by one cable, no need for a serial + the parallel one).

If you do it on an 1541/II, then VIA1 is U6, the PA0-PA7 pins are pins 2-9,
and finally, you also have to cut PA0 from the ground (maybe, the older designs don't have this connection).

> Yeah... The same happend to me on a party in Neustadt in 1991, organized
> with DAN (at that time still TRACK 0). Back then, I just had a 1551
> drive... Unfortunately, I only got HD Disks (actually my good 1541 II
> works fine with HD disks!)... So I copied 20 disks full of HOTTEST
> STUFF and a week later I wasn't able to read a single file without bugs!

Sucks.

None of my drives handled HD disks. However, one of my friends has a really old 1541 which read/wrote them without problems.

>> (But, maybe, I'll get an SFD1001 this week :-) ).

> Cool drive, now that's mass media! Once, I messed around on a CBM 8296
> which was hooked up with a SFD 1001... Btw, it doesn't take HD disks!

Well, I suppose I'll have some difficulties hooking it to the Plus/4 :-(.

BTW, yes, this is a DD drive. ...Hmmm, do you know any another DD tech drive, formatting these disks to 1Mb? :-)

Speaking of the 8296, yes, I also seem to found one, maybe I'll have it here soon (I just bought it). I bought a CBM PET 4016 and a CBM 8250 drive too. ...What a lucky people am I! :-). I just failed my university exam,
nothing more... :-/

> I guess it was DROLE, a platform type game. Actually, that's the only one
> disk game (except KARATEKA) by CEEKAY which I know of. BOBBY BEARING, a
> labyrinth type game (originally from SINCLAIR SPECTRUM) was not a one disk
> game. Well, maybe it was...

DROL, yes, it was that. Thanks.

> Was heißt Sonnenuntergang auf finnisch?
> Hellsinki!

> Eleven American soldiers are raping a German girl. She screams: "Nein,
> nein!" Two soldiers leave...

Yee Haw! :-)

> Well, it's not really a scene anymore... Before I went to the States in
> 1992 it was gettin' quite cool. Aside from people like PIT and Ceekay,
> there was something like a RENAISSACE of party organizing and so... Damn,
> that could've been a new start! However, the problem in Germany always was
> that some people used their plus/4s as "serious" computers... They didn't
> have the slightest idea about "scene culture", no interest in demos, and
> they usually spoiled parties. (Well, to cool local ones, we never invited
> those people!) Well, I'm not saying that you can not use your plus/4 for
> word processing and stuff like that, but in my point of view the plus/4
> is a pure "freak machine"...

Yess, you should be right. I won't persuade anyone to edit letters for example, in 3-plus-1.

What I'm thinking of, microcomputers became much more popular than they were in the times of Commodore. Commodore didn't know the answer for the question of the community. Seems like IBM and Micro$oft, did.

(Anyway, while it's very sad, I guess, for us, looks like it's going to be the same sad for people using PC's and Windoze :-/).

So, since these old 8-bits act much less user-friendly (except for us), I think it's not supposed to tell anybody to use Plus/4 or any other 8-bits
(not even my 4016 PET :-) ) for work.

But it really makes some fun to work with them, anyway. At least for me,
it does!

> I love demos! Actually, it's also a problem
> of communication, you try to keep in touch but you never do! Know what
> I mean?! Therefore, I really like e-mail!

Yes. E-mail is something very cool, I won't believe if we ever met without it or without this list at all, for example.

> Of course I know all the "This is my last DEMO on plus/4",
> accompanied by a melancholic tune, scroll texts... Reading them, I always
> felt a piece of myself dying! (I guess, I'm getting a little carried
> away...) Anyway, I was so glad, when I heard about CROWN's re-entering the
> "scene"! Hopefully, more dudes from BACK THEN will join in! A major
> problem of the plus/4 scene was also that almost nobody ever said a word
> about appreciation... If you get no response you'll quit coding! Anyway, I
> think we could make it cool again!

Know what I mean? I guess something more is too, true. Earlier, if you made something being member of the Plus/4 scene, sometimes the answers were not neutral but even hostile. It would worth the work to examine it a bit better, but I have a thesis. Plus/4 scene was much more weak than C64 scene was. While C64 groups organized big parties regularly, it was quite rare to see a Plus/4 party (at least, I mean 'big' official parties).
The communication rather worked via letters, or not at all. ...You may know, or maybe, you not because of Hungarian scrolltexts, it was quite frequent to see fucking texts in the scrolls to one or another guy. Later,
with a small overstatement, I can tell that everybody bitched at others.
Me did it, too :-(, however, I had not much opportunity to do it :-/.

I think, all this was because of the weak Plus/4 scene. Since it was weak from just the start, there were no 'big' parties to talk with others any matters. Therefore everybody kicked others by ass in the scrolltexts. And since this a bit slow and 'accidental' kind of communication, this made the 'system' go out of hands.

I mean, all this because of the wrong communication possibilities.

That's why I like e-mail and mailing lists. It makes possible to communicate a much smaller group - I mean, meet easily - than it would have been needed
5 or 10 years ago.

Levente

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